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  • Oliver Peters

    October 9, 2017 at 9:04 pm

    [Walter Soyka] “For a team with multiple interdependencies, it’s much harder. Every decision on a team has ripple effects, so changing a single piece of the workflow or slowing down a specific step for retraining may have broad ramifications (positive or negative).”

    What gets overlooked is that NLEs are no longer operating in a standalone mode at many places. It’s part of a larger workflow pipeline and in more cases than not, the driver is After Effects and not the NLE. I have worked in the past and currently work with a number of younger editors where the heavy lifting is all in AE. The NLE is just the place to start and end with.

    To place FCPX into this workflow actually lowers efficiency, not improve it. And no, Motion is not an option. To make that move involves a lot of training in multiple disciplines, plus rethinking the whole pipeline. And it locks you into Apple hardware.

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com

  • Scott Witthaus

    October 9, 2017 at 11:45 pm

    [Oliver Peters] “It’s part of a larger workflow pipeline and in more cases than not, the driver is After Effects and not the NLE. “

    Wouldn’t you say that the story is created in the NLE and the “Icing on the cake” is AE OR Motion? How does AE drive the workflow? How do you create “story” with AE? Story is the driver, not the effect software. My experience is that the story is created in the NLE and handed over to AE for effects and “bling”.

    Scott Witthaus
    Owner, 1708 Inc./Editorial
    Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
    Professor, VCU Brandcenter

  • Oliver Peters

    October 10, 2017 at 12:46 am

    [Scott Witthaus] “Wouldn’t you say that the story is created in the NLE and the “Icing on the cake” is AE OR Motion? How does AE drive the workflow?”

    If it were me, yes. These are largely spots and spot-length short-form edits. The bulk of the editing (arrangement, trimming, etc) is being done in AE by the editors that I’ve observed working this way. Clip selection onto the timeline in Premiere and then straight to AE for the heavy lifting. Of course, these spots also have a lot of text animation components in addition to the video. However, I’ve even seen these guys do all of their color correction in AE instead of Premiere or Resolve. The point being that AE is at least 50% of their editorial workflow.

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com

  • andy patterson

    October 10, 2017 at 12:59 am

    [Bill Davis] “And (and this is my opinion only) if you are constantly switching back and forth between X and Non-X editing – your thinking will adapt much more slowly. NOT because the editor won’t adapt to the buttons or processes well enough. Good editors are plenty skilled at that. It’s because the soft skills of X editing – keyword strategic thinking – case specific thinking about stuff like when it’s best to use Snapshots verses Auditions – how to structure Roles vast exports for efficiency – THOSE skills are typically refined for X editors via constant trial and revision.”

    Did you ever think Premiere Pro might actually be more capable than you think? You say people struggle with X. Do you have proof of that? In the video below I see someone struggling with Premiere Pro to the point where it should make you cringe but I think you liked the video. I know several FCPX users have posted the video in this forum because they thought it was a good demonstration. I proved that to be incorrect. A lot of people may not know how to use X with 100% efficiency but a lot of people don’t know how to use Premiere Pro and Avid with 100% efficiency. When you do become 100% efficient with all three NLE you will realize they all work just fine. Each will have unique features that the other ones lacks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzcnXFhTC1k&t=260s

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  • Brian Seegmiller

    October 10, 2017 at 1:40 am

    Premiere runs better on a PC. FCP X runs better on a Mac. We should compare FCP X on a Mac and Premiere on a PC to really see which is faster.

  • Jeremy Garchow

    October 10, 2017 at 1:59 am

    [Oliver Peters] “The point being that AE is at least 50% of their editorial workflow.”

    I use Ae a lot for ‘VFX’.

    I constantly move edits from FCPX to Ae. There’s a number of ways to do it, including fcpxml straight to Ae via Automatic Duck, just like The Legend of yore.

    Typically, I do all the VFX as flat (log) color, render out media, replace those clips in the timeline, and send to final grade. Colorists appreciate the flat VFX shots for grade, and I appreciate a happy colorist. 🙂

  • Scott Witthaus

    October 10, 2017 at 12:33 pm

    [Oliver Peters] ” The point being that AE is at least 50% of their editorial workflow.”

    Ah, so your comment is about this one client, not the market in general.

    I usually see AE getting approved “plates”, if you will, to work on and send over to wherever the piece is being finished. From my experience, AE is certainly not a good editor, in the traditional sense, and why would Adobe push it to be one?

    Scott Witthaus
    Owner, 1708 Inc./Editorial
    Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
    Professor, VCU Brandcenter

  • Oliver Peters

    October 10, 2017 at 1:07 pm

    [Scott Witthaus] “Ah, so your comment is about this one client, not the market in general. “

    Several clients with whom I’ve worked with in the last 10 years.

    [Scott Witthaus] “From my experience, AE is certainly not a good editor”

    Agreed. Mine, too.

    [Scott Witthaus] “why would Adobe push it to be one”

    They aren’t. This is user-driven.

    – Oliver

    Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com

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