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Why do Events still exist?
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[Walter Soyka] “why bins are bad, but events are good.”
I remember anyone saying anything about bins (or whether they are “bad” or not). I know I didn’t.
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[Walter Soyka] “I sincerely don’t understand why bins are bad, but events are good.”
I prefer the Event over a bin because with Events you are tagging an element so that it shows up in multiple “virtual bins” instead of dragging an item to different multiple bins.
I can tag it to be in 6 places faster than I can drag it 6 places.
Library Blues 2016
Event Blues vs Blackhawks
Tag goals
Tag Hits
Tag FansEvent Blues vs Wings
and so on.
The more you narrow things down from the beginning, the faster you find things.
Think of an Event like a zip code. You could find a street address without it, but the zip code narrows it down to one spot on the entire planet.
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[Walter Soyka] “I was joking before, but now I sincerely don’t understand why bins are bad, but events are good.”
I thought it was Events are limiting, and folders are not?
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So for when I
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An expedition I work by days and so footage from each day is its own event and then from there I break out types of things – scenes – b roll what have you with keywords and then comments . The common language of the expedition revolves around dates and times and places so having an event for each day of shooting makes the most sense for me . -
The one technical reason I can justify for sticking with Events, as part of the architecture (not talking about the UI), is if Apple added Avid-style multi-editor, simultaneous collaboration. It seems that an under-the-hood Event file could be the foundation that would enable a bin-locking approach.
Oliver
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“constantly I hear the exact same complaint from PPro users. Lag and unresponsiveness past a certain project size and/or time of use.”
That hasn’t been my experience with Premiere Pro.
Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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Gents, I understand how Events are being used in practice, and I understand that assets must have some root object in the system… I’m just surprised to hear some people who have argued so passionately and articulately for the strength and flexibility of databasey, search-don’t-sort keywords/smart collections in the past now also arguing for static, sort-don’t-search events.
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
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[Tony West] “Think of an Event like a zip code. You could find a street address without it, but the zip code narrows it down to one spot on the entire planet.”
Exactly. I regularly work like Tony (not hockey games, though) and use the same org structure. Events are good. Leave them alone. 😉
Scott Witthaus
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Walter,
I think there’s a regular need for both paths to find a specific asset for your storyline.
If I know the precise asset I’m looking for – if I’ve properly keyworded it – that’s optimal. (Bring me just the thing I need now.)
But what if I just want to survey a “narrowed by Event” class of assets to visually pick one from an array that meets my needs? A single click on the Event allows that.
Both modes are useful.
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[Walter Soyka] “I’m just surprised to hear some people who have argued so passionately and articulately for the strength and flexibility of databasey, search-don’t-sort keywords/smart collections in the past now also arguing for static, sort-don’t-search events.”
Bill is correct. It’s not an either or, it’s both sometimes.
I used the sports example because I thought that would be simple for people to get and you kind of get it, so lets go deeper.
Documentary example
This is just one person in the doc and as you can see there are 13 tags just for this one person alone. There are “40” people and most have much of the same stuff she does. That’s not counting music, RX Work, Motion work, B-roll from other locations, Historical Footage, Historical Pics, AEC docs, EPA docs. DOE docs and more. I didn’t want a keyword collection that just said Historical pics, there are almost 1000 of them. They need to be tagged within the event.
If I put all of this stuff together in one event I would be scrolling through some 700 tags. That’s inefficient.
Everyone had their own family pics, work pics, government documents and so on.
I wanted to be able to go to the person and all their stuff in one click. The only way you could best me Walter would be if you could do it zero clicks. I don’t think you can do that, so at best, you could only tie me : )
Library “The Safe Side of the Fence”
Event Denise
Key Sit down
Key B-roll office
Key B-roll documents
Key B-roll meeting
Key B-roll research
Key Claim forms
Key DOCA
Key EEOICPA forms
Key letters
Key Media interviews
Key Work History forms
Key Family pics
Key Work Pics
Key MCW documents
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