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Why do Events still exist?
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Except Events aren’t sub packaging. They’re the outermost packaging (except the library). It’s akin to having just the toolkit you describe and loading it in your car. Except you always have to put it in a big cardboard box first for no reason.
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[Oliver Peters] “In fact, your Events can actually be completely empty with all clips in the Library, yet you have to have at least 1 Event in the Library, even if it is empty.”
I’d like to know how you can do this. All media must exist in an event. Media can’t exist only in the library.
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It seems like it comes down to how many elements you have in the project you are working on.
It can seem a little redundant if you don’t have that many elements, but if you are working on a project with thousands of elements that you need to get to in just two clicks it’s great.
As others have said, it’s another layer of organization that is very handy and fast.
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[Bret Williams] “I’d like to know how you can do this. All media must exist in an event. Media can’t exist only in the library.”
This was not the case in a Library I created the other night. I had missing clips that had disappeared from the only Event, but were still visible in the Library. I was able to remove all clips from the Event, yet they stayed in the Library. I then moved (or copied, don’t remember) back into the Event.
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[Oliver Peters] “the original design was flawed and they’ve been trying to work around that ever since”
First, I think you’re correct about why do events still exist. This has been discussed before in various forums. I am personally working on a project with 5 terabytes, 7,000 clips an 160 hr of material in a single event of one library. I do everything with tagging and rating — it works mostly OK. There can be some I/O issues because FCPX does lots of random 4k and 8k I/Os when building and maintaining thumbnails in the Event Browser. I have read speculation that distributing content over multiple events somehow helps but I’ve never seen proof of this or tested it. This is on a 2015 top-spec iMac 27 with an 8TB SSD array in RAID-0.
With the advent of library-wide smart collections, library-wide searching, and finder tags to classify imported content, you mostly don’t need events from an organizational standpoint. However this doesn’t mean the original design was flawed, as if an architectural error. There are several possible explanations for events (all speculative):
– The internal database mechanisms to support library-wide searches and smart collections could not deliver adequate performance on then-existing hardware
– Finder tags did not exist which now makes it easier to duplicate the functionality of importing into a “bin”.
– It was difficult enough for editors to conceptually transition to FCPX. It would have been too much to demand they accept there’s no bin-like feature whatsoever and totally commit to metadata-only organization right off the bat.Re why do they still exist, obviously people are using events for better or worse, so it would be a big disruption to remove them. Aside from media organization, there may in fact be reasons for retaining them, such as performance (unproven) or certain workflow or utility tasks. I have not studied this closely and other people could probably better list these.
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[Oliver Peters] “Shouldn’t they simply get rid of Events and apply all the collections, folders, etc. at the Library level?”
So then why not get rid of folders in the Finder and just dump any and everything on the top level of every disk and just use Finder tags to filter everything? By that same logic I guess folders were a mistake of the original OS that have become obsolete, or not?
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[Robin S. Kurz] “So then why not get rid of folders in the Finder and just dump any and everything on the top level of every disk and just use Finder tags to filter everything?”
I think you’re missing the point. It’s not a question of whether or not to have organizing “bins”, folders, collections, etc. Currently Events do not function like folders, but they should. They seem to be a vestige of an earlier database model that FCPX is stuck with, but isn’t completely needed any longer.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “So then why not get rid of folders in the Finder and just dump any and everything on the top level of every disk and just use Finder tags to filter everything? By that same logic I guess folders were a mistake of the original OS that have become obsolete, or not?”
Be careful, Robin, your argument could be misconstrued as support for traditional NLE bins!
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[Walter Soyka] “your argument could be misconstrued as support for traditional NLE bins!”
You know me. I’m a traditional kind of guy. ????
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[Oliver Peters] “This was not the case in a Library I created the other night. I had missing clips that had disappeared from the only Event, but were still visible in the Library. I was able to remove all clips from the Event, yet they stayed in the Library. I then moved (or copied, don’t remember) back into the Event.”
Then something is clearly going very very wrong on your end, since that simply can’t (shouldn’t) be. As Bret already stated, there is no way to only have clips in the library. They can only be in an event IN the library. Selecting the library will show you everything of every event in that library. If you’re seeing anything else, well…
And by the way, for the sake of memory usage and speed alone, getting rid of events would be a horrible idea. Since otherwise FCP would load the entire content of a library upon starting up. This way it is only loading the content of whichever event/project you have selected (but scanning the rest on open to check links, yes). Unless of course you do e.g. a search at the library level, in which case it reads everything i.e. projects etc. as well. I’m sure everyone has had to wait for the progress bar to finish when doing that. There you go.
Aside from that I find events a very welcome and very logical organizational tool. I do an episodic. Instead of making one library per episode, which would make for a complete mess, I make one library per season and one event per episode. Exponentially better and easier to handle.
I also don’t see how simply removing a single level from the overall hierarchy could have somehow posed a problem for Apple when it came to 10.1. I find the notion that the fact they’re still there somehow wasn’t on purpose rather amusing if not, in the context of Apple, plain silly.
– RK
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