Where are we TODAY?

[Neil Goodman]

i apologize, i did mean just connected clips. Why would i want to wrap sometrhin in a second storyline while im building an edit, just to gain the function of a roll tool? ? what if you decide the next connected clip needs a transition or to be rolled with the previuos clip as well?You have to take those 2 clips out of the second storyline and start again ? The break apart clips button just breaks em off one by one until your left with an empty story line attached to your primary. Surely this unintuitive and a waste of click after click, just because you decide you want to roll and edit point.

Unless im missing something, i couyldnt find a way to add to an already existing secondary storyline .

Neil Goodman: Editor of New Media Production – NBC/Universal

[Neil Goodman]

i will add i am TRYING to give this a software a fair evaluation. Other than transcoding, i dont see one approvement over FCP 7.

Some of the stuff i do is for web, some for broadcast. For the webstuff I WANT this software to work cause i deal with a ton of interviews where all the b-roll and epk stuff is sent in h264 or mp4 And for simple talking head interview, paced to music with sound ups etc, and broll, this SHOULD work perfectly. But it doesnt. Everything Broadcast still happens on the Avids and roibably wont change anytime soon, especially now, but for this web stuff, I would love to be able to use FCPx

Neil Goodman: Editor of New Media Production – NBC/Universal

[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Craig Seeman] “I don’t want an NLE that makes it difficult for me to tag a clip multiple ways quickly because the same clip may be used in different contexts.”

well.. alright then so.

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promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Neil Goodman] “i apologize, i did mean just connected clips. Why would i want to wrap somethin in a second storyline while im building an edit, just to gain the function of a roll tool? ? what if you decide the next connected clip needs a transition or to be rolled with the previuos clip as well?You have to take those 2 clips out of the second storyline and start again ? The break apart clips button just breaks em off one by one until your left with an empty story line attached to your primary. Surely this unintuitive and a waste of click after click, just because you decide you want to roll and edit point.

Unless im missing something, i couldn’t find a way to add to an already existing secondary storyline .”

I’m literally just reposting this.

http://www.ogallchoir.net
promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

[Carsten Orlt]

I hear your pain. It is quite different and therefor needs new thinking (at least that’s what I think)

I think you might need to think about what you actually put into the main story line. Yes the old way was to put the interview on V1 and place cutaways on tracks above. When editing the cutaways I could lock V1 so the interview stays like it is.

Now in FCPx you might have to try something different. Put the interview into a secondary story line and edit your cut aways on the main storyline. If you place this interview in the secondary storyline underneath the main story line, you get to see the talking head where you leave (or create) gabs on your main storyline.
Your way of putting clips above the main storyline is the former way of thinking in tracks. FCPx doesn’t have tracks so you have to work differently.

Now you might decide that this is not for you and nobody can call you anything. The former track based approach is still represented by all other NLE’s, so you choose which you like.

I actually like the trackless world and even though I run into problems because I’m so damned used to tracks that I start the wrong way. But this a matter of time 🙂

Hope that helps
Carsten

[Tom Wolsky]

Why? You can add to any secondary storyline. Just drag clips into it. Cut and paste into it. Edit into it.

All the best,

Tom

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[Craig Seeman]

[Gary Huff] “I think everyone should read this over and over again a few times until they realize how silly this sounds with Apple’s brand-Spankin’-new terminology(tm)!”

As long as you have a good Event with many Storylines, we’ll all stay Connected with the Magnetic Timeline and Skim to a happy ending.

[Craig Seeman]

[Neil Goodman] “Why would i want to wrap sometrhin in a second storyline while im building an edit, just to gain the function of a roll tool?”

It depends whether you’re building vertically or horizontally. Building vertically with Connected Clips means each clip maintains a connection to the clip (a frame actually) in the Primary Storylline. This is done if you will move the entire vertical relationship as a unit. Think primary storyline shot with a cutaway or titles or other composits.

Secondary Storyline is a horizontal relationship with a single connection point. This might be a shot in the primary storyline line with several cutaways that transition to each other. That group of shots with transitions in the secondary storyline only need maintain a single connection so that if one moves the clip in the primary storyline, that secondary storyline will move with it.

If you want to transition between two connected clips, just hold down the G key when you move them and when they touch they become Secondary Storyline.

[Neil Goodman] “Unless im missing something, i couyldnt find a way to add to an already existing secondary storyline “

Select the Secondary Storyline (the top gray bar not the clips in it) and you can edit to it just as you can a Primary Storyline. W to insert, E to append, D to overwrite.

[Craig Seeman]

Different tools for different styles.

[Gary Hazen]

[Carsten Orlt] “Put the interview into a secondary story line and edit your cut aways on the main storyline.”

This is counterintuitive.

Editorial is story telling. In describing the individual components of this story you would describe the interview footage as the “foundation” of the story. And the b-roll as the “support” of the story.

You’re suggesting that the foundation of the story belongs in a secondary story line and the support material belongs in the primary story line?

[Carsten Orlt] “I actually like the trackless world and even though I run into problems because I’m so damned used to tracks that I start the wrong way. “

It’s not that you started the wrong way, it’s that you started based on your intuition. It’s intuitive to think that the interview footage (the foundation) belongs on the primary story line. I would guess that anyone learning to use FCPX would follow the same approach.