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What’s a node?
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One thing that could be really good (from AE’s idosincracy, which is not Shake’s ) is if it could display layers in a nested composition as sub layers for the pre-comp layer in the timeline. It could really make things much quicker. Strange it doesn’t do that yet. You’re often opening whole timelines for pre-compositions that only have one or two layers inside.
Adolfo Rozenfeld
Buenos Aires – Argentina
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[Sandman] “This is kind of where I’m confused. Isn’t AE doing the same thing? You put one effect on it, and then that resulting video then is used when the next effect is applied, and then that resulting video is used for the next effect, etc?”
No. While Adolfo’s and Andrews explanations are correct, they don’t capture the nature of nodes. A node is an abstract program component/ algorithm/ function that receives and returns only values. It basically does not care how those values are generated/ delivered as long as they are within a range and structure the node can understand. In case of a compositing app this means it does have no interest in whether a filter created a certain pixel (or the values representing the pixel) or it is part of some footage. The node will blindly apply its methods to that pixel. In a way one could say the greatest strength of nodes is that they are “stupid” and don’t care about the outside world.
A good example of this could e.g. be channel management. While in AE you already need a filter to exclude one channel from another effect (e.g. using Shift Channels), in a node based system you would simply not connect that channel to the processing node and be done with it. You could also bypass one node and could connect that channel to a completely different node. You don’t have that option in AE, not even collapse transformations will do something similar.
Another benefit is that you can easily share effects across the board. Where in AE you would often work with multiple instances of a layer and apply different sets of effects to them, in a node based environment you would just use multiple outgoing connections from the original node and add different processing nodes to those outputs. This greatly minimizes overhead and accelerates processing.
Mylenium
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Hi I got a short question:
Are there other node based apps than Fusion Shake and Inferno?
Because I’m waiting for the learners Edition of Fusion 5 since 4 Months or smth like that.
And it would be cool if they got a Trial, or better a learnersversion available.
Thanks
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FWIW, the scripting environment in Cinema 4D (Xpresso) is completely node based. Such visual approach to scripting it’s probably the easiest and most intuitive implementation of expression based animation I’ve seen. Yet, there is much I haven’t seen 🙂
Adolfo Rozenfeld
Buenos Aires – Argentina
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On the compositing front you have Fusion, Shake, Nuke, flame*/ inferno* as well as combustion* (though there it is not at the core of the app, just another metaphor for combustion*’s otherwise layer-based workflow. However, node based stuff is also quite common in 3D applications, be it Maya’s Hypershade for texturing, Cinema4D’s XPresso editor or such exotic things as massive!’s (the app that was used to create crowd scenes in “Lord of the Rings”) “brain” networks. If you want to explore how nodes work, you should really download one of the demos of aforementioned programs.
Mylenium
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thanks to Adolfo and Mylenium, oder besser gsah danke 😉
So I just checked out the nuke site, but couldn’t find a learners edition, and discreet only has a 30 day Trial of Combustion. So is there another app than Fusion with a learners edition ? Because I’m only a student, and I don’t wanna spend thousands of
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What is DS ?
Shake ?
I can’t use Shake, I’m on Windows.
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[Tim Klink] “What is DS ?”
Avid|DS Nitris
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well again no trial or learning edition.
Isn’t there any other company than Eyeon which offers a learners edition of a node based app?
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