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What would Walter Murch think of FCPX 10.3?
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Nah…not targetted at you. A mere glancing shot. ?
I mean, you do have a legit question…”How does the great audio editor, who liked FCP because of the way it dealt with audio tracks, how does he feel about FCX?” I can underastand that. But I too am like, “who cares?” Does the opinion of a man deeply intrenched in Hollywood matter for an app that isn’t aimed at his needs? Why does it matter? Is he cutting stuff like you are cutting?
Shane
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I’ve not had a single discussion about Mr. Murch in the thousands of email exchanges about X I’ve had in the past 3 years.
Walter is an amazing man and editor and I feel very proud to have briefly met him twice and more than that – I hugely admire his patience and amazing desire to take time with and engage with EVERY single editor in line to meet him at the SuperMeets I was involved with. Great guy, Period.
But he’s not really a part of the X community discussion and absolutely NOBODY I know feels at all “spurned” about that.
We have plenty to think of that’s far more relevant to what we’re doing.
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[Shane Ross] “Don’t seek validation for the app from Hollywood…you don’t need it. That’s the point I’m trying to make. Albiet in a snarky manner, I’ll admit. :)”
I agree but I’m not sure that’s the point, Shane.
I’m not sure it’s actually “validation” so much as dealing with the very real issue of players at a particular level appreciating having the safety to go in different directions IF they wish to.
Ficarra and Requa, the co-directors of Focus and WTF as well as Jan Kovac the editor – plus Mike Matzdorff the 1st AE that pioneered the X workflow for features – were all once again on stage at the Summit this weekend.
They were unified in saying that they now PREFER working in X unless something about the project or client requires them to go back and work in something else. They all articulated lots of reasons for why they now have this preference.
John Requa even used the specific term “Insanely Efficient” to describe FCP X during his presentation.
Would it be “insanely efficient” for every editor who uses it? Of course not. And right now – there are obviously many, many more working editors in Hollywood who are WAY more efficient in AVID then they would be in X (or Premiere Pro!) for years, if ever.But it’s still useful to understand that pros who use it in specific high-profile niche workflows (and major hollywood movies are precisely that if nothing else!) have a viable alternative if they WISH to explore that – that has had the same success that other workflows involving other NLEs have had as well.
Seems to me that’s worth knowing. That’s all.
Back to work now…
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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[Bill Davis] “But he’s not really a part of the X community discussion “
Yet whenever Murch mentions X it ends up getting talked about on FCP.co, this forum, X Facebook groups, the X users I follow on Twitter, etc.,. By virtue of his accomplishments and career choices I think Murch’s views on NLEs (and editing in general) will always end up being part of the discussion in editing communities.
Speaking of FCP.co, this old post sounds a little salty. ?
“Come on Walter, you were meant to be one of the pioneers of doing things differently, trying new stuff out, being the first and getting a big splash on the Apple website for your reward.
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We expected more, maybe Walter might look again at FCPX after the proposed update in the new year.”Oh, and here’s a less salty post from FCP.co after Murch says nicer things about X.
“It is great to hear Walter being more upbeat about FCPX in this interview and he makes some pretty good points in this nineteen minute discussion dedicated to our new NLE on the block.”
Speaking in generalities, people like their personal choices to be externally validated (especially if their personal choice is validated by a successful person that is in a position to pick ‘the best’ regardless of cost). If these shoes are good enough for Michael Jordan, if Wheaties is good enough for Michael Phelps, if Gatorade is good enough for NFL players… If Murch said tomorrow that X was the best NLE he’s ever used I think there would be a lot more flag waving than poo-pooing from the X community. And, ‘coincidentally’ there would probably a lot of downplaying from many users of other NLEs. Somewhat recently I remember Murch said nice things and PPro and some people on an Avid FB group started slamming Murch. I think the were still putout about that whole Cold Mountain thing. 😉
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I think it’s an interesting question, not so much because I’m looking for his approval (I made my mind up years ago)
while he is a great editor, there are people on this forum who have way more expertise with the program than him.One of the main reason he didn’t like X was because he likes to organize his audio in tracks.
At this point the way X handles organization of audio is pretty impressive and very organized.
They really kind of took the best of both worlds.As far as feature films go, I think that was more about people saying “I told you so” because many people (myself included) knew that it could be used on one if somebody really wanted to.
He still may not want to use it because he has spent years developing a skill set that he uses with certain programs.
As good as he is, he would be starting from square one with this program and that doesn’t appeal to many people.That’s something that’s always going to be a challenge for X, no matter how cool they make it.
I think years ago people may have asked about him using it before they started using it.
Like, “will you use it, maybe I will then also” I think now it’s more like “have you come over to my side yet?” -
[Tony West] “He still may not want to use it because he has spent years developing a skill set that he uses with certain programs.
As good as he is, he would be starting from square one with this program and that doesn’t appeal to many people. “There’s also a variable that affects Murch, more so than other editors. On many films he’s the editor, but also the re-recording mixer and/or sound designer. To my knowledge, he sticks with ProTools on the audio front. Since he’s often involved on both the video and audio side, he has a greater ability to prep final (or close to final) elements during the edit, rather than just temp sound. As such, I would presume, working in similar layouts (tracks) might make for a better direct translation in how you approach and view your timeline.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Shane Ross] “Does the opinion of a man deeply intrenched in Hollywood matter for an app that isn’t aimed at his needs? Why does it matter? Is he cutting stuff like you are cutting?”
My point exactly. The opinions of a lot of people on this forum are far more valuable to me and my workflow than Mr. Murch’s. Not because he is not a nice, talented and creative guy, but it just doesn’t compute for me.
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter
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