What would I need to online an HDCAM film…

[David Roth weiss]

I saw that in a post you wrote Gary. It looks okay to old eyeballs, bit there’s obviously something under the hood that you know. Please do tell… Inquiring minds want to know.

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[Aaron Neitz]

Like others mentioned: a Kona 2 or a X version of Kona 3. I incidentally did an entire feature length 1080 uncompressed online on my old G5 with a $300 Blackmagic HD card. No frills, but it worked.

Storage is your biggest problem. You’ll need a hardware raid solution that can handle uncompressed 1080/10bit/24p. There are a million options – look into G-Technology or Dulce. I’ve had very good experience with both units. The G-Speed ES would work with your existing eSata card and provide just enough speed for Uncompressed HD.

They will have cut in 30fps. Use Cinema Tools to translate that EDL into 24. Hopefully they were mindful about naming their tapes during capture.

Make them pay for your new goodies. They may be “out of money” but if they want an HD master then it’s not free. There’s money somewhere.

[John Pale]

I thought it was PCI-X originally…but then doubted myself and did a quick search….of course the website I found the info on was wrong!

Lesson: don’t believe everything you read on the internet.

[Chris Borjis]

[David Roth Weiss] “Negatory on that John, the dual 2.3ghz machine were/are PCIx, I have one right here that I’m typing into now. I believe only the first quad core G5s were PCIe machines.”

David I have 3 dual 2.3 ghz g5s all of them pci-e

and my quad is pci-e as well.

[Arnie Schlissel]

I bought a used Kona 2 off of eBay last year for around $400 or $450. You should be able to find one at around the same price, but you may need to be patient while you wait for one to come up.

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[Chi-ho Lee]

Wouldn’t the IO HD bypass his G5 bottle neck if they really want to use ProRes? So it’s either money for the card and rent a raid fast enough or spend money for the IO HD and use his existing raid.

Where are you located? I’ll rent you my raid! : )

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[Gary Adcock]

Ok

here you go.

https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/8/1024925

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[John Pale]

[Chi-Ho Lee] “ouldn’t the IO HD bypass his G5 bottle neck if they really want to use ProRes?”

No. The iO HD is supported for Intel or Power Mac G5 Quad only. The G5 Dual Core 2.3 will not cut it. Also, read Gary’s posts about his test of ProRes on the G5…definitely not the right tool for the job.

As far as the Dual Core 2.3 G5 being PCIx or PCIe….I have no idea now. No matter which side I come down on someone says I am wrong 🙂 So forget I said anything about it…

[Gary Adcock]

[John Pale] “As far as the Dual Core 2.3 G5 being PCIx or PCIe.”

I believe the PCIe version of the G5 has a big honking connection for the power cord, the only mac to have one that large, all other machines have a standard connection on the back.

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[Bryan Roberts]

Thanks guys!

For the record, I have PCIe slots, thank god, so my cards can translate to my new machine (waiting for the new Mac Pros to come out, I’ve been fighting an upgrade for a while since my G5 has cut everything I’ve thrown at it thus far but more and more people want prores and xdcam (can’t convert xdcam to QT on a non-intel mac)).

To answer the question – they have no hope of a film out. In theory, if the new version of the film was a smash hit with distributors, they’d have them fit the bill for a film out. What they want is an HDCAM master but I don’t think they’re terribly worried about uncompressed HD etc. In theory, how much worse would DVCPRO HD 1080 look VS. uncompressed 1080 HD if it were ever projected in a medium sized theater? It’s the same resolution, the same amount of pixels so I guess it’s all about color reproduction? As for color correction, they’re really sort of throwing their hands up at this point and just want me to use FCP’s built in 3 way color corrector to do a quick spot job (it was well exposed, no major issues but trust me I know, not a smart path – I’m good with the built in CC tools but again I know, they’re not powerful enough or appropriate for doing an online – I always refer people to a couple different post houses around my place). Finally, the sound editing and mix were done at a really high end shop, actually where Iron Man was mixed (the producer called in huge favors) so I’ll need to pull all those tracks into FCP as well (I believe they have wav or AIFF stems for those).

So it sounds like I have two options here:

1. Online the film to DVCPRO HD 1080 and then run it back to an HDCAM for a master – that would require a capture card such as a black magic card, I could capture straight to a single SATA drive and need to obviously rent an HDCAM deck for capturing and then printing it back to tape…

Or…

2. Online the film to Uncompressed HD and then run it back to an HDCAM for the master. This would require a capture card such as a black magic and then also a hardware raid solution such as the G-speed ES (how many drives would I need to raid together for appropriate speeds? My media estimation tool says a 90 minute film at uncompressed HD 1080 10 bit would require 834 gigs – so 1 TB SATA drive is fine for the Raid drive size but would I need to raid 3 TB’s together, 4?).

The film was cut at 30fps – so regardless of which path I take, I’ll need to convert my EDL in CT to 24? Reverse telecine my EDL?

Thanks guys, I have a good feeling this is going to be a nightmare, and I tried to avoid being a part of this but I’ve been pulled in with promises for big future films, ouch. Oh, I’m located near Burbank by the way…