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weird shoes, FCPX, and the sheep barn.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “you’ve hurt my feelings Simon, and worse, you’ve hurt tilde’s feelings.”
Think about how the poor grave accent feels. Grave accent does all the work, and tilde gets all the credit!
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Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Scott Witthaus] “I would say those shoes are about as attractive as the Premiere interface! ;-)”
Scott, I know this was said in good fun.
That said, I’ve seen a few remarks in this forum about how unattractive the Pr interface is. I kind of like it, but I’m a long-time Ae guy, so I am biased.
So what is it about the Pr interface that fails to inspire affection?
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[Walter Soyka] “Think about how the poor grave accent feels. Grave accent does all the work, and tilde gets all the credit!”
You definitely get a better class of joke around here.
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who’s on second base sure. so pure out of the blue here:
random and a pop question – if you have, say when did you last take an avid job/or work it simon? this be a curiosity thing.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Walter Soyka] “So what is it about the Pr interface that fails to inspire affection?”
I’ll bite. This is more Ae based than Pr based.
Mind you, I am in the middle of a two week green screen composite, probably the biggest I have ever attempted, not in terms of shot number, but in terms of complexity. It’s going OK, I’m not a great compositor which is probably the crux of my issues, but Ae CC 2014 is doing an excellently great job. Adobe sure has some talented folks over there.
Adobe apps, in general, are a really big click fest. I want the tools we use most, like levels, curves, some sort of real honest to goodness color correction even, to be easy to get to and understand. The workflow is scattered and jerky, fits of brilliance followed by just enough clicks to get your head out of the game, or just enough times where you have to rearrange the UI to get a scope, or filter interface to display correctly, or to trim a layer with four or five clicks, and then back to the pen layer by layer, keyframe by keyframe, effect to effect, pre comp to pre comp, track to track. Pr suffers a bit from this same DNA.
People shame FCPX’s “uncustomizable” interface, and after spending day after day in Ae, Apple may just be on to something. With a keystroke, I can turn things on and off, reveal what I need, then close it up and when I get back to the main UI, it’s just a timeline and a viewer. Some custom filter UIs float, so that you don’t have to rearrange the main UI. You use what you need to use, reveal what you need to work on, then use it, or work on it, close it with a keystroke, and go back to basic editing.
Jeremy
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If you have Creative Cloud, log in as a guest user on your mac. This popup never really goes away. It’ll drive you crazy and any guest (like grandma) that might use it will be thoroughly confused and worried they’re screwing something up.
John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “People shame FCPX’s “uncustomizable” interface, and after spending day after day in Ae, Apple may just be on to something. With a keystroke, I can turn things on and off, “1
no, they aren’t on to something. And you kind of can’t.
you can call the below complexity, but it looks a lot like building a house in anger.
https://library.creativecow.net/articles/sevush_herb/Multicam-Premiere-Pro/assets/screenshot-lg.jpg
that said – enjoy X bud. You can’t make it what it isn’t. It is a limited use case editing system.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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I guess I’m confused. The only thing that can’t be done from that screenshot in X is a mixer, and track based tc layers (although the multicam window does have “burnt in” clip name and tc on it just like Pr). The mixer is a big “only thing” but I’m not sure what your point is?
X can’t do multicam?
Are you saying I can’t have organization on the left and timeline and program on the right?
An audio meter?
Also, I can’t find a link to the TV Show Silicon Valley where the ‘eccentric’ CEO of giant tech company wears the “weird shoes” with a suit, but it’s out there, and it’s funny.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I’m not sure what your point is?”
I think that FCPX’s force configured windows tend to rustle Aindreas’s jimmies. That’s fine. I hate, hate, HATE Premiere’s icons and buttons, probably with the same fervor. And the eye-strain inducing UI clutter. And round knobs on mouse-based software to emulate a physical control panel that I don’t have.
But the tilde key IS pretty cool.
Andy
https://plus.google.com/u/0/107277729326633563425/videos
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Adobe apps, in general, are a really big click fest. I want the tools we use most, like levels, curves, some sort of real honest to goodness color correction even, to be easy to get to and understand. The workflow is scattered and jerky, fits of brilliance followed by just enough clicks to get your head out of the game, or just enough times where you have to rearrange the UI to get a scope, or filter interface to display correctly, or to trim a layer with four or five clicks, and then back to the pen layer by layer, keyframe by keyframe, effect to effect, pre comp to pre comp, track to track. Pr suffers a bit from this same DNA.”
I think this is a fair criticism. I’ve submitted quite a few UI-related FRs lately against After Effects, and I’m sure I’ll be submitting a few more. That said, there are also a TON of (hard-to-customize) Ae hotkeys that can make some of this a lot easier.
I’d be very interested to hear more about your flow-of-work interruptions — maybe I can help.
[Jeremy Garchow] “People shame FCPX’s “uncustomizable” interface, and after spending day after day in Ae, Apple may just be on to something. With a keystroke, I can turn things on and off, reveal what I need, then close it up and when I get back to the main UI, it’s just a timeline and a viewer. Some custom filter UIs float, so that you don’t have to rearrange the main UI. You use what you need to use, reveal what you need to work on, then use it, or work on it, close it with a keystroke, and go back to basic editing.”
You can do pretty much all of this with Ae, too. Most people — myself included, for years — have been thinking inside the grid Ae presents to you in the standard layout at startup.
But it doesn’t have to be that way. Lately I’ve been experimenting a lot with less rigid layouts in Ae. You can undock panels, and there are quite a few panels/windows that you can open and close with a keystroke.
For example, I’ve been working with brushes and text-related panels undocked (both of these can be automatically opened by selecting a brush or text tool), and closed with a hotkey. I’ve also been experimenting with keyboard-driven opening and closing of the project panel and effects & presets panels (in both docked and undocked configurations), and even the ECP, instead of leaving them open all the time, sucking up screen space.
You can also define any number of workspaces you like, accessible with two pen clicks, or you can define three workspaces accessible via keyboard shortcut.
Rejecting that assumption, encouraged by the default layout — that all my main panels need to be docked and open all the time, and that I should be rearranging their sizing with the mouse — has been a revelation, especially on portable/small screen systems.
Ae can certainly be improved, though it will probably always be clicky since there are just so many controls. But maybe a lot of the functionality you’re seeking now might already be there?
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
@keenlive | RenderBreak [blog] | Profile [LinkedIn]
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