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Waiting for Apple again. And again. And again …
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[Shane Ross] “that, and it’s very old.”
It’s the very old part that is a deal breaker for me.
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Our server is windows based and I don’t like touching it. It’s much harder to use and maintain, and luckily I don’t have to do much with it as its a server and usually just needs to be on. Also, I am simply not interested and blissfully/ignorantly happy with our tubes and TB2. With fcpx, we blast through multilayeres of 4K and effects and text in real or near real time. We are good for now, even on “three year old” hardware.
[Herb Sevush] “but I get very nervous about deliverables and I don’t want to extend my process a single step when it comes to handing over finished files.
“Perhaps Telestream (or someone) will make a “panel” then you could have Cloud Prores right from Pr.
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The comparisons were mostly against other Xeon based workstations from HP, Dell etc and yes the Mac Pro was very competitive at the time of release.
But now we 6, 8 and 10 core i7’s which are much faster and cheaper than the Xeon’s of yesteryear. Not to mention DDR4, Thunderbolt 3, USB 3,1 etc. So for 3 grandish you can build a workstation that would bury the fastest current Mac Pro for less than half the price. Any upcoming refresh or all new Mac Pro will still probably be competitive against Dell and HP workstations but have little to no performance advantage over an i7 box.
It was at a Vegas premiere that I resolved to become an avid FCPX user.
Lance Bachelder
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Downtown Long Beach, California
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[Lance Bachelder] “But now we 6, 8 and 10 core i7’s which are much faster and cheaper than the Xeon’s of yesteryear. Not to mention DDR4, Thunderbolt 3, USB 3,1 etc. So for 3 grandish you can build a workstation that would bury the fastest current Mac Pro for less than half the price.”
And not run FCX at all. Because they can’t run the Mac OS…because the Mac OS doesn’t support Thunderbolt 3. This is what I was getting at when I built my Hack. It cost $1600 and buries the iMac, and buries the MacPro in terms of GPU, the CPU, no. But yes, if I got a non-TB3 board I could make a workstation that smokes the MacPro readily. Only it will have to run Windows…and thus, no FCX love.
Shane
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[Lance Bachelder] “But now we 6, 8 and 10 core i7’s which are much faster and cheaper than the Xeon’s of yesteryear.”
I think others might disagree. 🙂
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Intel-CPUs-Xeon-E5-vs-Core-i7-634/
Shawn
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[Lance Bachelder] “But now we 6, 8 and 10 core i7’s which are much faster and cheaper than the Xeon’s of yesteryear.”
Unless Apple goes back to multiprocessor CPUs it may actually make sense to use the higher end i7’s in any new Mac Pros. This would also mean they can use Intel Quick Sync for encoding. This is why a recent Quad i7 iMac may encode faster than a Xeon Mac Pro. Even when they came out in late 2013 (early 2014 actually) people noted the i7 advantage when encoding.
Is there a reason for Apple to stick with Xeons?
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[Lance Bachelder] “Any upcoming refresh or all new Mac Pro will still probably be competitive against Dell and HP workstations but have little to no performance advantage over an i7 box.”
This has been an argument that’s circulated for a while. There is no “iMac Pro” level of computer, and never really has been, and I feel Apple is leaving money on the table here. Certainly, with all that Intel has going on with the i7s, the tech seems ripe.
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[Craig Seeman] “Is there a reason for Apple to stick with Xeons?”
If they want to keep 3D and VFX artists on their platform, then they should absolutely go back to building dual CPU machines. I know a few folks who would go back to Apple in a heartbeat, if they could get the hardware they wanted with OSX.
Shawn
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I do think an 8 or 10 core iMac Pro would be fantastic if they can keep the price under 4 grand,
It was at a Vegas premiere that I resolved to become an avid FCPX user.
Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
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That’s an old article and states: “Clock-per-clock, Core i7-5XXX and Xeon E5 v3 CPUs have identical performance”
My point was the newer 8 core i7 for instance, runs at 3.2Ghz and runs $999 – the older Xeon they tested was a 3.0Ghz model that would run you about $1299 on Amazon today. Of course if money is no object you can build a screaming dual Xeon system but I was just talking about a new i7 machine vs. a current Mac Pro – nothing else.
It was at a Vegas premiere that I resolved to become an avid FCPX user.
Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1680680/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
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