Vertical Displays

[Mark Suszko]

Yes, this is what I was saying before and what I’d try first,if the job was a simple one, but you can also shoot in HD with the camera in normal position, then do the rotation in post to wind up wih an acceptable version output vertically in portrait mode in SD. You’re using the extra resolution of the HD in the initial aquisition to make up for the resolution given up during the rotation and scaling process on output. Just in this instance, you would be right if you used the improper nomenclature: “pan down”.:-)

Or you leave it all up to an expensive and sophisticated outboard DVE/ scaler box, like a Stumpfl or something, which makes shooting and post a non-issue, but adds a lot of cost and possibilities for failure to the playback side. For a long-term installation, might not be cost-effective.

[Thomas Leong]

“Or you leave it all up to an expensive and sophisticated outboard DVE/ scaler box, like a Stumpfl or something, which makes shooting and post a non-issue, but adds a lot of cost and possibilities for failure to the playback side. For a long-term installation, might not be cost-effective.”

Don’t want to start an argument, but I feel compelled to correct an error or two in the above comment especially since I use AVStumpfl’s software for multidisplay work.

AFAIK, Stumpfl does not make nor sell DVE/scaler boxes. Perhaps the reference should have been directed towards Folsom, Extron, Analog Way and others…but Stumpfl is not it. And it’s products can be cost-effective for long-term installations as they are designed for such purposes.

If the reference to Stumpfl was to imply that its software, Wings Platinum (Module version) can scale, edit, apply basic DVE, and turn a horizontally shot video(s) 90 degrees either way in post, and output it as such through the PC’s graphics card’s VGA or DVI out, or even output it as a composited presentation video file from the results, then that would be correct.

Thomas Leong
Co-owner/Moderator of Yahoo Multidisplays Group

[Mark Suszko]

Thomas, I think we were saying the same thing; only you were more precise and detailed articulating the differences.

[Mark Suszko]

By cost-effective, I only mean that you can save the cost of attaching and paying for or renting the add-on DVE or scaling equipment if all that work was done in post, and the vertical-ized monitor just needs a simple playback from a standard deck, hard disk box, DVD, etc. If it’s for a 3-day auto show display, or something, you have many choices. If it’s for inexpensive long-term digital signage/art in a retail setting or museum type setting, then pre-comping the video to be vertical makes more sense to me in the long run. If it needs repeated updateing in a short time frame or you are going to use it live, like they do on some news/interview programs, then you don’t have time to pre-render, so you use a DVE or other product as Thomas has mentioned.

[Jerry]

The way this is going to be used is for a permanent/semi-permanent display. My main question was
to shoot horizontal or shoot vertical? It seems that both ways work. The display the client has been
looking at will rotate the horizontal to vertical. It will scale it to fit. This will look like crap
in any event. The idea of shooting vertical and then rotating the display itself as opposed to software
is an interesting idea. I believe some research in that arena, as far as heat dissapation and such, needs
to be addresed. Thanks for all of the replys.

Jerry Hatfield
Six Gill DV
Orlando, Florida

[Mark Suszko]

Best of luck, and please promise to come back and recount how it finally resolved, so we can all learn something from it.

[Thomas Leong]

NT

[Bob Blaha]

Used this before (https://www.dataton.com/watchout). High end ($$$) but flawless execution. Used a lot in trade shows corp events, and the like.

[George Socka]

I only did one like this – all created out of stock video and animated stills. All rotated in a 16×9 Premiere project – so that when looking on the computer screen it was sideways – but when played out (real time) to a real vertically mounted monitor (only a small one mind you) it looked ok. None of the 4×3 source elements were used full screen – titles and other graphics elemenst filled the bottom or top. In fact, most elements were used in a PIP fashion. Looked good when seen from the intended distance.

I would guess that if you shoot footage in SD, you make sure that you can cut off as much as is required from each side.

[Florin Sev]

Starting now, each timelapse clip in HDtimelapse.net Library have a downloadable Vertical HD Crop (1080×1920) which matches the coresponding Vertical HD timelapse and can be used for Digital Signage and Vertical Display.

The vertical aspect has been cropped from the original still images (4288×2848).

Upon request, this Vertical HD Crop can be modified according to the client’s wishes in order to meet artistic and/or technical requirements.

https://www.hdtimelapse.net