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Activity Forums Sony Cameras Upgrade HDR-FX1 for XDCAM EX

  • Chris Babbitt

    November 8, 2007 at 4:32 am

    Sorry about that! It was another XDCAM model that had CMOS chips. I thought it was the F350. No matter! I got to play with the EX today, and the low-light performance is amazing. Way better than the 1/3″ cameras. So, we can definitely put that matter to rest.

  • Don Greening

    November 8, 2007 at 5:48 am

    [Chris Babbitt] “the low-light performance is amazing.”

    Chris,

    Did you see any low light picture noise in the blacks that you would deem unacceptable? The reason I ask is because several months ago I tried out a V1U with CMOS chips and observed unacceptable picture noise with NO gain at all. This was a deal breaker for me.

    I would define acceptable picture noise as nothing appreciable until after +6 or 9 gain is dialed in. So much of our work is done in low light that this feature is quite important to our business.

    – Don

  • Chris Babbitt

    November 8, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    I did not notice any noise. We were in a fairly dark conference room with the camera trained oln the audience through the entire presentation and projected on a very large screen. I saw no noise, even with AGC turned on. I know what you mean about the V1U. In fact, I believe that was the camera I was thinking of in my earlier post. This camera is nothing like that.

  • Don Greening

    November 8, 2007 at 7:12 pm

    Awsome. Thanks for your feedback, Chris. You just sealed the deal for me.
    – Don

  • Don Greening

    November 8, 2007 at 7:12 pm

    For some reason my response was posted twice, so I deleted the duplicate from this one.

    – Don

  • Chris Babbitt

    November 8, 2007 at 7:40 pm

    Heres something else that will blow your mind, Don. The cinematograper who gave the presentation showed a short documentary he had just completed where he intercut footage between his F900 and the EX. We couldn’t tell the difference.

  • Don Greening

    November 8, 2007 at 10:54 pm

    [Chris Babbitt] “We couldn’t tell the difference. “

    That sounds very impressive, Chris. When it’s possible to intercut footage from a sub $10,000.00 camera with one that is way over ten times the price you know you’re witnessing a revolution in the making.

    – Don

  • Edward G downie

    November 11, 2007 at 5:01 pm

    There is only one reason why I would not buy the XDCAM EX is it does not have the ability to jamsync timecode with other cameras if I was to use it as a second stand alone camera I would like to know why that was not added.

  • Pedro Ferreira

    November 22, 2007 at 8:44 pm

    Hi! I have a Z1U cam and am a happy man, but I’m hurting to know something…will my neighbour competitor leave me eating dust in normal Lighting conditions? I currently film and edit, after capturing Apple Intermediate Files, and converting them to uncompressed 10 Bit, and am Very Very strict on final output quality, wich means most projects involve major surgery to achieve the best look possible.

    So, I need to record sometimes more than half an hour non-stop to edit next, and that cam’s inability to record at least that kind of time makes me wonder If I am missing something or not…And CMOS are a MINUS for me…If they where as good as they say, F900 would have CMOS…or F23 too…you see…

    When I need to shoot anything worth it I go HDCAM or HDCAM SR (rented )

  • Don Greening

    November 23, 2007 at 4:18 am

    [Pedro Ferreira] “F900 would have CMOS…or F23 too…you see..”

    I disagree. I’ve seen the picture from the EX firsthand and can say that CMOS technology is on par and in some respects better than its CCD bretheren, especially when it comes to contrast. The high end CCD cameras you mentioned continue to be CCD because they were designed from the ground up to use those chips. Changing those cameras over to CMOS and the supporting in-camera hardware/software would incur a huge expense for the manufacturer. Also, Sony has a new 1/2″ CMOS chip, not a new 2/3″ CMOS chip, which is what the cameras you mentioned require. Anything less would be unacceptable to the buyer. Besides, the EX uses the new EXMOR CMOS technology which wasn’t around when cameras like the F900 were ready for production.

    But of course, the question you initially asked was:

    [Pedro Ferreira] “will my neighbour competitor leave me eating dust in normal Lighting conditions?”

    The short answer is yes. The XMOR 1/2″ CMOS imagers are (at least) 2 stops faster than the 1/3″ CCD HDV imagers.

    – Don

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