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Unfixable, Unhackable, Untenable. An iFixit Op-ed.
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[Chris Harlan] “Can’t be easily upgraded? It can’t be upgraded at all. But that is not the issue. The issue is that if any part fails, the entire unit fails. Considering that this unit is nearly 3 to 4 grand in a useable configuration, that seems to me to be a point worth discussing. I don’t think anyone has called this unit “crappy,” but don’t you think this is a potential pitfall that people should know about when they put their money down? Or is even mumbling about potential Apple downsides taboo?”
With Apple care you have 3 year warranty. And if you drop it or it is otherwise damaged insurance will pay for the replacement.
Who cares what has to be done to repair a broken tool. My guess is that Apple will do some component repair at factory rebuild sites, not just replace the whole computer. But even if they just recycle it and give you a new one, then that is fine with me.
If it breaks after 3 years you probably want a new one anyway.
Olof Ekbergh
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[Chris Harlan] “I’m not sure about that. Certainly not among our crowd. Or among the people who are aware of his site.”
Yeah, and those crowds aren’t most people. You know, “normal” people. Not us. He’s appealing to the hand of the market, and the market is overwhelmingly populated by people who have no interest in servicing their own laptop. Even if everyone on the COW and everyone who frequents iFixit boycotted sealed laptops (assuming they were ever part of the MBA buying public), it wouldn’t make a dent in Apple’s sales and thus it wouldn’t convince the other guys to stop chasing that “Ultrabook” ideal that necessarily means a rather unserviceable device.
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[olof ekbergh] “[Chris Harlan] “Can’t be easily upgraded? It can’t be upgraded at all. But that is not the issue. The issue is that if any part fails, the entire unit fails. Considering that this unit is nearly 3 to 4 grand in a useable configuration, that seems to me to be a point worth discussing. I don’t think anyone has called this unit “crappy,” but don’t you think this is a potential pitfall that people should know about when they put their money down? Or is even mumbling about potential Apple downsides taboo?”
With Apple care you have 3 year warranty. And if you drop it or it is otherwise damaged insurance will pay for the replacement.
Who cares what has to be done to repair a broken tool. My guess is that Apple will do some component repair at factory rebuild sites, not just replace the whole computer. But even if they just recycle it and give you a new one, then that is fine with me.
If it breaks after 3 years you probably want a new one anyway.
“Hey Olaf. That might be great for you. But why exactly do you fan bois get so hot and dismissive over people even discussing these things? I just don’t get it.
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[olof ekbergh] “They are made to be recycled not repaired.”
[olof ekbergh] “I think things are changing for the better. It is very efficient to recycle aluminum, and the boards, glass etc are also recycled. It is just the way of the future.”
… then you haven’t read the linked article:
“…the display is fused to the glass, which means replacing the LCD requires buying an expensive display assembly … The design may well be comprised of “highly recyclable aluminum and glass” — but my friends in the electronics recycling industry tell me they have no way of recycling aluminum that has glass glued to it like Apple did with both this machine and the recent iPad.”
So this is not “made to be recycled”, regardless of marketing spin.
An innovative tech company might be taking on the issue of what happens to their products after short life-cycles.
Franz.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “In this thread, how many people own and operate Windows desktop machines for your video editing business?”
Not now, but in the past, since about 2000 (Avid Symphony). I only personally moved to Mac to be compatible with FCP. Currently some of my clients are on Windows (for Avid).
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Bret Williams] “I would wager Steve was planning on killing it. It wasnt even in the stores. My theory is that Tim has found a way to work it or some semblance of a Pro machine back into the lineup”
Tangentially remember a little while back there were rumors that Jonathan Ive was ready to leave Apple and return to the UK. Maybe part of that was that there was no more groundbreaking for him to do at Apple. A life of tweaking iPhone and iPad hardware might not be a compelling future. Somehow I imagine someone, Steve or Tim, (and remember Ive was godlike in Steve’s eyes) said “Ok, make me the computer that will shake the industry. You have all the time you need but it MUST devastate the industry.” MBPr is his playground. The MP replacement will be the big arena. So Ive stayed.
Entire wild assumption but it’s the thought that enters my head when I think about the current circumstances at Apple.
I don’t pretend to assume the MP replacement will be a success (remember the Cube) but it’s probably going to be the most controversial product Apple has produced in years.
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[Andrew Richards] “[Chris Harlan] “I’m not sure about that. Certainly not among our crowd. Or among the people who are aware of his site.”
Yeah, and those crowds aren’t most people. You know, “normal” people. Not us. “
Obviously, Andy. My point was in the rest of what I said.
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[Chris Harlan] “Does the past count? I edited on Windows for six or seven years.”
I edited solely on windows till ’04 when I added FCP to my shop. Dropped windows for editing in ’06, but still use windows for some audio (love Soundforge) and photoshop work, as well as all my financial and administrative stuff. Expect to be back to windows for video editing by 2014 at the latest.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Oliver Peters] ” I only personally moved to Mac to be compatible with FCP”
That’s what got me on board, too.
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[Clint Wardlow] “While I agree this may work with laptops, I still am not so sure it will work with “big iron” towers”
I’m not sure either. Apple likes to gamble though. They can afford to. I think the biggest variable will be how they handle GPU and RAM. Those are two needs that can grow much faster than even a relatively short life cycle.
[Clint Wardlow] “But, as this forum is an indicator, over the last couple of years Apple’s behavior has also caused a lot of formerly loyal users to jump ship or at least embrace cross-platform workflows.”
Part of the gamble on shorter life cycles though are that people may again be willing to move in a couple of years. This would mean that some things would have to occur in the market for Windows users to consider shorter life cycles as well.
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