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  • Trying to come back to FCP

  • Bob Mane

    September 15, 2020 at 7:33 pm

    I used FCP in the past was never in love but was OK. Went to Vegas, sick of PC for now. Just ramping up again and noticed old things that used to annoy. Hoping for new workarounds.

    1. If playing timeline click various spots in UI stops playback. How to fix??

  • Terry Barnum

    September 15, 2020 at 11:06 pm

    Bob, since you’re freshly back to FCPX I suggest spending time on a few tutorials. Since FCPX is fundamentally different from other editors in a couple key ways, this will likely save you hours of head scratching and frustration.

    A good, free tutorial series is by Izzy Video <https://www.izzyvideo.com/final-cut-pro-x-tutorial/&gt;. Another free series coming from the Avid and Premiere perspectives is the Unauthorized FCPX YouTube channel <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgFm0z5RkLU2rEd4TTRst_A&gt; Finally, Mark and Steve at RippleTraining do a great job of explaining things quickly and efficiently. Well worth the modest cost IMO.

    For you question, what are you trying to achieve when playing and clicking?

  • Bob Mane

    September 16, 2020 at 12:03 am

    Thanks Terry

    It is just that I am used to letting my work play regardless of if I am doing anything anywhere in the UI.

  • Joe Marler

    September 16, 2020 at 11:52 am

    FCPX playback will continue non-stop while you trim, reposition clips or adjust audio on different clips, add transitions, or add/adjust certain effects (e.g. sharpening). Adjusting a built-in color effect will stop playback.

    Transitioning to FCPX from another NLE can be difficult. It’s not a matter of cheatsheets and hotkeys. It is understanding the paradigm change from a track-based NLE, and working with the strengths of FCPX. Not focusing on these conceptual differences may doom any transitioning editor to frustration.

    FCPX is the convergence of several concepts:

    (1) Pervasive database-driven media organization. IOW you don’t pancake clips on a timeline as if that’s your only organizational tool. You spend time in the Event Browser rating and keywording material before you touch a timeline. See “Warp Speed Keywording”: https://youtu.be/azJ4J41JaZk

    (2) Curating material in the Event Browser is facilitated by an extremely high performance media skimmer. Compare the update rate and latency of the FCPX skimmer to Premiere’s “Hover Scrub”. The skimmer is full screen and much faster.

    (3) Organization in FCPX is *range* based not clip based. You can have multiple keyworded ranges within a single clip. You can navigate between marked ranges in the Event Browser: https://support.apple.com/guide/final-cut-pro/set-multiple-ranges-in-the-browser-veradbf2dce/mac

    (4) Due to the high performance and database organization, it’s not necessary to sift through material outside the NLE and import only the “keepers”. With FCPX you can import everything using “leave files in place” and do the initial assessment and selects there.

    (5) After curation use the database tools to query the material. Use keyword collections, smart collections, filter on favorites/rejects. See “One Smart Collection To Rule Them All”: https://youtu.be/sjuCfJFhdo0

    (6) Magnetic timeline, which includes an object-oriented encapsulated approach. In general audio and video are not detached entities, which helps maintain sync. Instead of tracks, audio often has embedded “components” visible in the Inspector. Audio is assigned roles which helps further classify and organize it. Use the Timeline Index for this: https://youtu.be/0dqcuBUVXjc

    (7) Magnetic timeline, part 2: beyond the “magnetism” the goal is put most material on the primary storyline and supporting material on connected clips or a secondary storyline. For a music video the primary storyline might be audio.

    Learn to think in these terms and use the product accordingly or there will be problems. Experience indicates a “hot key” approach for transitioning editors will not be successful.

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  • Bob Mane

    September 16, 2020 at 2:49 pm

    Thanks for the info Joe

    Event Browser click/use stops playback correct?

  • Joe Marler

    September 16, 2020 at 3:18 pm

    Yes, timeline playback stops if you click in the Event Browser. The default and original design of FCPX was a single-viewer display, not separate source and program monitors. The intention was avoid pulling clip after clip into a source monitor to examine them for inclusion on the timeline program monitor. The idea was if the code path is fast enough and the skimmer responsive enough, a single viewer is sufficient. The workflow was skim the material using the single viewer, mark favorites, rejects and keyword ranges, then query/filter that data and add to the timeline. In this scheme you obviously can’t have both timeline and event viewer playing concurrently because there’s only one display.

    After the initial FCPX release they added a 2nd viewer, accessible via Window>Show in Workspace>Event Viewer, or CTRL+CMD+3. That gives separate viewers but only one is active at a time.

  • Michael Halliday

    September 25, 2020 at 7:13 pm

    Hi there Bob and Terry, I wonder if you can advise me…I have already noted those tutorials from Terry. I used to edit at work using FCP7 and had my own licensed home copy. Then when apple brought out version X and stopped supporting 7, work went over to Quantel Q-edit Pro – now Grassvalley Rio and dumped FCP. At the time FCP version X was a non starter professionally and so I didn’t bother with it. I did however have a play with Premier Pro and the biggest breakthrough I could see was that it edited seamlessly (“natively”? with my cameraphone footage (“MP4” – which I understand could be a number of different varieties). Can you tell me; does the latest FCPX edit current cameraphone footage? …or would I have to hours of rendering which used to come undone and have to be re-rendered on FCP7…?

    Would you know: can I upgrade to version X from 7 or do I have to buy it new (GBP300).

    At this stage I am looking to get back to editing at home and trying to decide whether to go Adobe Premier or FCP…and I hate the idea of monthly subscriptions… GBP is what I originally paid for my first version (3) of FCP so I guess that is not a bad price to be paying for it now…but would I have to buy lots of other software to go with it in order to do some basic effects and use phone camera footage? I am presuming that it can be used by now to pretty much the same standard of editing as version 7 could when X was first introduced…?

    Really grateful for your advice.

    Best regards,

    Michael Halliday

  • Michael Halliday

    September 25, 2020 at 7:18 pm

    Hi there Bob, Terry and Joe,

    I wonder if I could ask a bit of very basic advice, which should fit into your narrative here…

    I used FCP 7 for several years at work, and had my own copy at home on my macbook pro. I now have a Retina 15inch early 2013 so 64bit and running Mojave 10.14.6.

    When FCP X came in and Apple stopped supporting version 7, we went over to Quantel QEdit Pro – now Grass Valley Rio – and I stopped using my FCP 7 after upgrading to the faster computer. I had a look at Adobe Premier and the thing that immediately impressed me was that it can work with phone camera footage – MP4(which I understand can vary greatly under the bonnet) – “natively” ie without converting it. With FCP7 I remember having to render for hours to work with my phone camera footage and then the render would come undone and I would have to keep repeating it…

    Can you tell me; with the latest FCP X can it work with phone camera footage “natively” or will I still have to long winded rendering in the time line…?

    I am trying to make my mind up between Premier and the latest FCP…and I loath the idea of paying a monthly fee. Was bad enough with the original Avid back up deal that we were obliged to have many years ago!

    Do you know; if I already have a licence for FCP 7, would I have to pay the ‘new’ price for version X…? At GBP300 it would be the same price I paid for my first FCP (3) second hand!

    Can I store my media on an external hard drive and edit like that with version X?

    Then finally; the original version X was pretty much a non-starter for professional editing when it first was released…is the latest version of X getting close to the dexterity of version 7?

    Am currently enjoying some of the tutorials you linked to Terry so thanks for posting them.

    Grateful for any advice/pointers.

    Best regards,

    Mike Halliday

  • Michael Halliday

    September 25, 2020 at 7:23 pm

    Please excuse the duplication guys…being sure I had posted but that it must have failed somehow since I couldn’t see my post, I wrote it out again…not realising that the reason I could not see my original post was that it was being moderated! …must try harder!

  • Joe Marler

    September 25, 2020 at 8:55 pm

    Re working with camera phone footage without rendering, FCPX can generally do that. Re new price for FCPX, there’s a 90-day full-featured free evaluation, why not try that: https://www.apple.com/final-cut-pro/trial/

    Yes media can be stored on an external hard drive.

    Re non-starter for professional editing, it is widely used for this today:

    https://lumaforge.com/faster-together/watch/editing-the-oscar-winning-film-skin-in-final-cut-pro-x

    This TV documentary was edited with FCPX and won an Emmy: https://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/articles/1764-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-final-cut-pro-x

    FCPX is vastly faster than FCP7. For comparison to Avid, see these tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZEWB-9BQ2DW-gwBlJJaWNg

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