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Towards a better NLE
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[Bill Davis] “between them with the timeline history navigation buttons at the top of your screen”
The problem with this is that the timeline history frequently gets lost when you have more than a handful of timelines open. You end up having to relaunch your sequences and then it gets very confusing whether you need to go forward or backward in the navigation. In concept, it’s fine. In actual practice, it’s very buggy.
[Bill Davis] “You can cut and past between them exactly like from pancake timelines.
They’re just displayed sequentially, not stacked. Other than that. No difference.”Not exactly. In the pancake view, you can actually drag between the two (or more) open windows. You aren’t limited to copy & paste. You can also directly compare the two (or more) sequences against each other.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Oliver Peters] “Not exactly. In the pancake view, you can actually drag between the two (or more) open windows. You aren’t limited to copy & paste. You can also directly compare the two (or more) sequences against each other.”
Yes indeed. I reversion most projects and in Resolve I had to swap between projects or swap timelines to copy paste between. It is clumsy and I am so glad Resolve 15 has put in both tabbed timelines and pancaking so I can far better compare and grab between both timelines and projects. I agree with Simon that this is a better way to work and it is not the same as the way X or the previous version of Resolve works.
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Cant stand pancakeing because it takes up too much real estate – and gets confusing in PPRO whats getting cut in and from where.
I know its a shocker ☺ but I still prefer the source side timeline in Avid and thats how I use Premiere too. When I need to see the source timeline I just flip it with the toggle. I wish X had a similar option.
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I now edit everything pancake style and I think it makes for much more efficient editing. I also think it’s faster to drag and drop clips instead of loading the timeline into the source side and editing it into my real timeline.
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The problem with this is that the timeline history frequently gets lost when you have more than a handful of timelines open. You end up having to relaunch your sequences and then it gets very confusing whether you need to go forward or backward in the navigation. In concept, it’s fine. In actual practice, it’s very buggy.
Right clicking reveals previously loaded timelines, makes life a little easier!
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[Steve Connor] “Because as someone who DOES work directly from the browser most of the time in FCPX I take great offence at this.”
Don’t worry Steve, most of the greatest films in history were not cut with pancakes, so you will be in good company inside
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[Neil Sinclair] “Right clicking reveals previously loaded timelines, makes life a little easier!”
Yep. I know that. Doesn’t change the “forgetfulness” and general bugginess of this feature.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Bill Davis] “They’re just displayed sequentially, not stacked. Other than that. No difference.”
Until you open another Project or two, and the three Project you have been working may or may nt be available in the “history”.
As much as I enjoy FCPX, this function could be much better.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “I know by now that there’s no chance of convincing you over the internet of the many virtues of string-outs and pancakes and so on, but I suspect if we spent half an hour in a room together that might change just a little.”
It’s the way I used to work in FCP7, and how I work in Pr. I find the way I work in FCPX to be much better. I leave the sequencing for my sequence. It is very easy to store “versions” of an edit, or other options of an edit in one Project.
I don’t find pancaking or string outs to be as intimate of a connection with the footage as skimming, favorites, keywords, and smart collections. Again, this may have to do with the type of jobs I typically edit, and of course, how my brain seems to work.
I find the FCPX timeline to be a very good scratch pad to hash out visual ideas. Perhaps you use string outs in the same way. I don’t really know what you mean by ‘Browser only’ editing. I don’t edit from the Browser. I make selections in the Browser for further editing, something that a bin structure does not provide, at least not as sortable as FCPX allows. If you want to work from sequenced clips, FCPX has ways to work that are pretty decent.
[Simon Ubsdell] “In fact, over the years I have discovered the opposite to be true – it’s much easier for material to get overlooked when it only ever lives in the browser …
“I find I have much better access to all of the footage in FCPX than any other current system I have used. With one click, I can supersede all collections, all organization, all notes, all keywords, all sequences, and simply browse all the footage, and then I skim and play it. Every single piece of media that is located in an Event, or even in the whole library, is viewable. There is no way for footage to simply get lost in some series of subedits on a selects reel. It’s all right there in front of you in as big or as small as a selection as you’d like, going from Library level, right down to a specific keyword, note, or favorite. It is what I find most useful. With selects reels, it can be hard to dig out the shot that you want.
[Simon Ubsdell] “However, just on a really basic, practical level, you surely must run into situations where your client asks for a version that’s a little bit of one other version, a slice of another and a chunk or two of a couple of additional versions.”
Of course, copying and pasting selections from other timelines is still possible in FCPX. I do it a lot, especially as I mentioned, during bigger campaigns. The nice thing about FCPX is that if there’s shared assets between Projects, these are very easy to store, recall, and edit, in compound clips. I can then smart collect those at library level. It is very easy and convenient.
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That about sums it up Jeremy! Thanks for posting.
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