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To CC or not to CC?
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Exactly Graham, Nothing new is actually added to the creative experience at all to warrant such an extreme.
Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Editor & Compositor.
Filmex Creative Media.
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[Steve Rhoden] “CS6 is not a dead product John, its what i use, and i wont rent any software. CS6 Can be used for years to come. Today you can even use old Adobe CS tools to complete your current projects.”
Steve, The reason I say that CS6 is a dead product is because it’s not going to be enhanced. So, for example, let’s say that 4K takes off this year and all of your customers are demanding 4K and CS6 can’t handle 4K… BANG! it’s dead!
This is an extreme example but you get the idea. When HD came in, everyone who thought they were going to stay with Vegas 4.0 “forever” got a wake up call and had to upgrade to at least Vegas 6.0 to get HD support. So CS6 is clearly at “end of life” and therefore is a dead product… it just hasn’t laid down yet.
Yes, some of us will use CS6 for years to come BECAUSE we already own it but I would NOT recommend that someone new purchase Adobe CS6 now because it’s clearly a DEAD END and that’s what this thread is about i.e., a new customer deciding to purchase an end of life product that they can purchase, vs a new product that they have to pay subscription fees forever. I could not recommend someone invest in CS6 now who wasn’t already an Adobe CSx customer unless they also want to buy into a CC subscription eventually.
[Stephen Mann] “John, as I said before, CS5 does all I need. I will never pay the ransom. I would have considered upgrades as Adobe introduces compelling new features, but not a ransom.”
Yes, and that’s the point. Adobe has absolutely no incentive to create compelling features now because they have a captive audience. It’s a recipe for complacency. Before subscriptions, they actually had to provide something useful to get customer’s money. Now they need only do nothing but collect random money and sit back and say, “ha, ha, ha, you are locked into my ‘industry standard’ tools so too bad for you” and they will produce minor enhancements and sell it has “continuous improvements that could only be accomplished via subscription”. It’s marketing mumbo-jumbo to address the fact that they have a mature product and customers were not upgrading every release so they had to change tactics to lock in customer’s money. I’m not falling for it.
Subscription software is bad for the customer because it removes their freedom of choice so the only choice we have is to buy into lock-in or walk away. Cell Phone companies are moving away from contract lock-in. Customer hate Cable companies because they make you pay for stations that you don’t want. No one like subscriptions for things they don’t need. So what does Adobe do? They convert the model that everyone else is abandoning because consumers don’t like it.
I think I can safely say from the daily bombardment of emails that I get and all of the advertisement to get CC at a discount rate, that their subscription model is not working and only corporations with deep pockets have signed up and the little guys like us are looking elsewhere. There is only one way that I would subscribe to CC and that’s if I can stop at any time and keep using the last version that I have. Without that insurance, it’s NO DEAL for me.
IMHO, anyone who agrees to the Adobe CC subscription model is being extremely short sighted. What happens when the economy takes another down-turn and you are loosing business and you can’t afford to pay the subscription so now you have no tools to get more business? What happens then? Adobe’s subscription model is a ticking time bomb set to the day when your business can’t afford to pay anymore. What if you stop using it and a client comes back for a change. How will you make that change? You’ll need to sign up again for a whole year just to change one project? Think about that. Software subscriptions that stop working when you stop paying are bad business for the consumer.
~jr
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Very bad business indeed, people recommending Adobe CC to
consumers and giving reasons why its better, have no clue
on this trap Adobe has set for them.Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Editor & Compositor.
Filmex Creative Media.
https://www.facebook.com/FilmexCreativeMedia
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Back in the coal mining early days laborers were mandated to buy their shovels from the company at a ridculous amount.
So ADOBE is now the slave masters but who is really at fault here? HMM…
I’ve been against anything Cloud since it’s inception and this is just an extension of that concept. So let me see, no internet I can’t work, dont own it. can’t control future costs, makes wonderful sense to me.
People are chugging the KOOL AID quite happily. A boycott by all editors is most certainly in order. Unless you want some Kool Aid I can sell you some, of course forever at a price I alone determine.
DRINK UP!!!!
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[Joe Mantaratz] “So let me see, no internet I can’t work”
Well… you can work but you do need to connect to the Internet at least once a month. So I agree that if you are on a two month shoot in a remote location without Internet your tools will stop working. That is also a ridiculous constraint. Adobe CC is bad on so many levels.
This fallacy that all the world is constantly connected is ridiculous and any technology that depends on users being constantly connected is flawed technology.
~jr
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” You’ll need to sign up again for a whole year just to change one project? ”
You could pay for just one-month, but it doesn’t make a customer-hostile policy any more palatable.
As I said before, Adobe has run out of new ideas. There are fewer new features and the flow of customer upgrades to get the new features is slowing. That is the definition of a mature product. It will look great on the balance sheet for a few years as the R&D departments are trimmed – why keep the engineers on the payroll if there’s no big new compelling features to work on?
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[Stephen Mann] “You could pay for just one-month, but it doesn’t make a customer-hostile policy any more palatable.”
Yea, the monthly fee is $75! Read the fine print on the Adobe web site. It says $49/month (Requires annual commitment; billed monthly). So you need to commit to a whole year just like a cell phone or cable company to get $50/month otherwise it’s $75 to just use it for one month without the annual commitment. This reminds me of late night commercials that use “3 easy payments of only $19.95” instead of saying the product cost $60.
~jr
http://www.johnrofrano.com
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Marketing twists and turns, can bet numerous software companies
want to follow this route.Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Editor & Compositor.
Filmex Creative Media.
https://www.facebook.com/FilmexCreativeMedia
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Somebody somewhere will figure out how to bypass their system to make it run stand alone then they will pass it onto the world. Then what will they do? How’s the new model working for them? I was unaware that you are required to access the internet once a month to keep it active but that sure sounds like an open door to being hacked.
Now I don’t support any of that and I have no problem paying for a quality product that I actually own forever. Now it they were aiming at the student market and those who cannot afford to but it outright then why not provide the installment plan?
Again I say an editors boycott with communications with Adobe and forums like this one is in order. Maybe they will get the message and make changes. Or perhaps there is something else coming down the pike we are unaware of yet.
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“Somebody somewhere will figure out how to bypass their system to make it run stand alone then they will pass it onto the world.”
Already been done Joe, there are torrents and keygens available of
all Adobe CC products in fully working condition without any need for
subscription, all over the dark side of the net.Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Editor & Compositor.
Filmex Creative Media.
https://www.facebook.com/FilmexCreativeMedia
1-876-461-9019
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