Thunderbolt Networking

[Jeremy Garchow]

I am sure costs will come down. I am not worried.

[Marcus Moore]

Where did you find pricing? Not doubting, just curious.

[Keith Koby]

[Marcus Moore] “Where did you find pricing? Not doubting, just curious.”

not sure where frank got it. math probably…

(325 – connectors)/10 m = price per meter plus connectors.

so if you figure 50 or less for the transceivers and you’ll get 2750 for the fiber.

but I doubt that’s the cost. I imagine that there’s heavier costs in the transceivers than normal t-bolt and that they are extra special because they have to push the signal over fiber at 10 m or 50m or 100m. I would suspect that the fiber cost is closer in line to expensive 10 Gbe fiber plus extra costs for the fancy rubber around the outside. So start with 10Gbe rated fiber and then pad and then figure out how much the transceivers cost…

[Frank Gothmann]

No math. Delock is a German company and you can get those cables in several European online stores.
In fact, they are even more expensive than I thought.
30m will cost you 2.700 dollars.
Go grab them while their hot.

https://www.bpm-media.de/en/Sales/ENG-Live-Production/Cables/Thunderbolt-Cable/Delock-Cable-Thunderbolt-optical-male-male-30-m-black::360652.html

[Keith Koby] “I would suspect that the fiber cost is closer in line to expensive 10 Gbe fiber plus extra costs for the fancy rubber around the outside. So start with 10Gbe rated fiber and then pad and then figure out how much the transceivers cost…
“

Which is why we went with 10GB via CAT6a for our shared storage. 30m copper cost you 20 dollars.

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[Keith Koby]

Ouch.

[Francois Jean]

These cables are available on amazon japan ..
10 m = $502.00
30 m = $893.00

link: https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B00ATUCU7C

Cheers

ZAP

[Jeremy Garchow]

See?

It’s not so bad.

😀

Seriously, though, 30m is a big run. In that ONE run you can extend nearly anything you’d like. Of course, you might need two or three runs, but even then, Thunderbolt offers a bunch more flexibility and most importantly, capability, than a massive tangle of single use cables and extenders. Some of those extenders are more expensive than $800 and require 2-3 Ethernet cables per monitor.

I’m still looking forward to it. The only ‘bad’ thing about Thunderbolt is the connector, I wish that was a little more secure.

Thanks, ZAP.

Jeremy

[Gorazd Koncar]

Hi,

You can get them even cheaper:

https://www.amazon.com/Active-Optical-Cable-33ft-10m/dp/B00FATQ83E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383343791&sr=8-1&keywords=thunderbolt+10+m

and this is one of the end user prices and not resale one and the offered prices when you actually buy several such cables is even lower. By the way BPM media is a great company. I have bought a lot of equipment there and they have the best service departement. When you shall actualy buy cables there they will give you much better price then it is actually displayed on their web pages because their price is now only informational and most probably they have not sold any optical thunderbolt cable yet because the market stil has not evolved…
But in december when the new Mac Pro shall be released then the story shall be quite different.

Best regards,

Gorazd

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Gorazd Koncar] “You can get them even cheaper:”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk0dBZ1meio

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[Bob Zelin]

boys, boys, boys……
there is an easier way to accomplish all of this, even with all of my bitching (hey, I love to cause trouble, and you know this) –

You create a MACHINE ROOM, which is a rack, or an Ikea table, or something. And you stick all your new cylinder Mac Pro’s and Mac Mini’s on this table, and into your UPS. And these get plugged into your super fast (non existant) Tbolt 2 drive arrys. And you use your 6′ long thunderbolt 2 cables to interconnect your new Mac Pro’s and Mac Mini’s (with Tbolt 2 on the mini, which does not exist yet).
Remember – NO HUBS, no Tbolt 2 switches.

NOW – you get some Gefen/SmartAVI/Hall Research, etc. extenders for your USB keyboards, and some HDMI extenders for your monitors, using Cat6 cable for the cable runs. And you run your Blackmagic/Matrox/AJA TBolt IO converters local on these computers, and just run LONG COAX cables to your Monitors (and if you have HDMI inputs on your monitors, use BMD or AJA SDI to HDMI converters). And run some audio cables – big deal.

And now you have your facility, like a real facility, with your readily available, relatively inexpensive short Tbolt 2 cables interconnecting all your Mac’s (ok, iMac does not win in this scenario) – but you can see that all of this is possible.

Because as I always say – THERE WILL ALWAYS BE STUFF that you have to buy, and you have to configure, even if it becomes extenders, and some cabling. But the reason I keep ragging on this, is because it’s never going to be free. And when it is free, the “next thing” will come out, and you will have to buy it to stay in business.

There is such a desperation for some people to say “I can do everything, and it cost me no money to do it”. Well, that is never going to happen – and the day that I am wrong, is the day that none of us can make a living in this business, because your wonderful creativity will not compete with grandma’s Christmas gift to a 14 year old, who will ultimately be able to create the same creative projects you can (and appeal to his young audience who is the actual buying market).

Bob Zelin

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