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Thunderbolt
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“That said, I have yet to hear of a working add-on TB PCIe adapter – to me, that is even a bigger roadblock to its acceptance than availability of TB-based storage boxes. What’s the point of having all this wonderful technology when you can’t connect it to a current Mac Pro?”
Do you mean a TB card? Intel has stated they can’t exist. TB controller must live on the motherboard. Do you mean something different?
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Neil,
There are far more considerations than sharing the cost of high performance storage when sharing. With shared storage, ingest can be separated without requiring a copy before work can be gin on that footage. Also, any maintenance that must go on with a local system that might displace an editor with local storage would mean much more work to get that editor up and cutting on another system than with shared storage.
Shared storage is more about workflow flexibility than cost savings in my book. DAS has always been cheaper than SAN or NAS.
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[Andrew Richards] “Do you mean a TB card? Intel has stated they can’t exist. TB controller must live on the motherboard. Do you mean something different?”
That’s what I mean – an add-on TB card. I did see an add-on TB card in Hitachi / G-Tech booth at NAB, and even took a picture of it – but now can’t find it. It looked like a PCIe card plugged into a backplane with lots of PCIe slots, and it had several DP connectors as well as TB ones.
Alex (DV411)
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Bob,
I have to disagree with your contention that the broader business IT market doesn’t use fiber. Copper has limited range. Fiber is used exclusively in the long run applications by telcos and facilities alike. It doesn’t matter what signal is, fiber is the rule once you get beyond the reach of a few hundred meters.
Comcast runs fiber to every neighborhood it is in, it just switches to copper for the last mile. FiOS is novel in that it takes the glass to the demarc, but then again any business with a commercial Internet connection has had a fiber demarc for years.
There are some apt parallels to SCSI, but TB is a lot more capable. TB is basically a way to get PCIe capabilities outside the box, and that means where you used to get an HBA card, now you’ll get an HBA dongle. Where you used to get a Kona card, now you’ll get a box.
I think the only time we’ll see a TB “switch” is for those times we don’t want to daisy chain. I don’t think we’ll be treating TB as a switched networking protocol. Why would we when we already have so many established protocols that we can just hang off of the TB bus?
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Hmm. That doesn’t jive with reports of Intel’s launch-day statements, but since we don’t yet have a published spec on TB, we don’t know definitively. Here is where I read there would not and could not be TB cards:
What you might see though is a breakout adapter that is a PCIe card and DisplayPort cable that would essentially get you the same result. Or perhaps cards could exist that are like TB without the DisplayPort stream. But I doubt it.
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The TB card that doesn’t exist can be seen here with an intel emblem on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMv2Jn5xo1o
Bob how are you? your thoughts are inciteful and helpful as always.
im thinking this tech could have a nice run much like firewire since there is another implementation to come out later (fiber version) but of course at the rate we are going there may be something next week.My main reason for getting a SAN is workflow but the workflow must have the throughput i need. Just to wait and see how it goes
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And in some more read it and weep news:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFNy4vVH1Xc&feature=related
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Nigel pointed out there is a G-Tech video where Pete Schlatter talks about the card – it’s an Intel reference board (probably a mini-motherboard with a TB chip on it) – which is probably only given to Intel / Apple partners for development purposes.
So the card exists, you just can’t buy it until 2012. 🙂
(rant)
(I am sure it’d be very easy to make a data-only TB PCIe adapter – but that’s not what Apple wanted – they wanted it all to themselves. How did they dupe Intel into it – beats me. I don’t get it. It’s Intel technology and there are plenty of other copper connector types with the necessary specs – take full-size DP! – why on Earth did they have go exclusive with Apple on it?)
(/rant)Alex (DV411)
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https://www.promise.com/storage/raid_series.aspx?region=en-US&m=1054&sub_m=sub_m_8&rsn1=40&rsn3=49
OK !!!!!!
So i think this means i can buy me a Fc switch and a couple TB raids and plug them into the switch via this thingy, plug my new mac mini which has a thunderbolt port, to the switch via another thingy and use that for management, and eat cake when my edit is done ?
Hmm sounds too easy but lets investigate…. it may well be true
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Nigel –
like I have said many times, everyone just wants a plug-n-play SAN system. We ain’t there yet.And as for the Acusys system Sebastian, this is resold as Cal Digit SuperShare, which is in Infiniband distribution system. It is very nice.
Bob Zelin
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