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This one probably won’t make the “In Action” page, but an interesting read…
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Fine, then I’m ready to participate in the next phase. Let’s spend the next couple of years here discussing precisely what’s “or NOT” about Premier, AVID et al. to level the playing field?
“All negative all the time” … for education!”
Odd branding isn’t it?
Maybe Tim can set up a forum called “Your NLE – an editing glass eternally half empty!”
; )
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[Bill Davis] “Fine, then I’m ready to participate in the next phase. Let’s spend the next couple of years here discussing precisely what’s “or NOT” about Premier, AVID et al. to level the playing field?”
Every serious conversation about any NLE for any project should include this. You don’t want to discover that Premiere Pro has a unique audio system or that Media Composer can’t output 4K once you’re halfway through your project.
[Bill Davis] “”All negative all the time” … for education! Odd branding isn’t it? Maybe Tim can set up a forum called “Your NLE – an editing glass eternally half empty!””
I thought we were assuming in this conversation that the glass was pretty much always 80% full. That puts some important differences in the empty 20%.
I have learned from a dear friend and colleague that framing things in terms of both what they are and what they are not is enormously helpful for building understanding.
For example, when I quote a project, I frame the scope of work in terms of what I will do and what I will not do. By bounding both sides, rather than leaving one side unbounded, we accurately set expectations and help avoid future misunderstandings. Otherwise, the other part is free to assume the implied boundary — and you know what happens when you assume!
(Also, in the case of quoting a project, it also allows opportunities for up-selling on excluded scope: a better outcome for the client, and a better outcome for my wallet.)
Walter Soyka
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[Andrew Kimery] “As to why people might be talking about X’s short comings as well as it’s strengths… If I had to venture a guess I’d say it’s a reaction to the fanboys that poisoned the well by proclaiming X to be the greatest thing since sliced bread and that if you weren’t using X it meant you were a dinosaur that feared change and were destined to failure.”
I have no idea where I fit in to these buckets, but being someone who was interested, and more or less positive albeit realistic about where FCPX was headed from about day three, there is another perspective on this.
There was at least one podcast, uncountable Tweets, a few videos, and plenty of industry press and concern about the exact reasons why FCPX shouldn’t even be considered in the days and weeks after the NAB announce as well as the official release, and if you were one of the unlucky who did like it or use it, you were suddenly an unprofessional, or were somehow doing lower quality work, or your work wasn’t as complicated. In order for people to prove that the work may have been complicated, or high quality, or just plain worth while to watch, there had to be some over compensation.
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[Charlie Austin] “Exactly. I’m as big a fan of X as anyone, but it’s far from perfect. It’s getting there though. lol. As Darren points out, it’s sometimes hard for aficionados of any NLE to admit that anything about their choice sucks. :-)”
Pretty much my position. I like X a lot, but I also have a “no denying when the King has no clothes” policy. I think if it has an area that needs work, we SHOULD be talking about it… not pretending to ignore just so we can curry favor from someone or some company.
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Bill Davis] “Remember, I’m NOT saying it’s flaws should not be discussed. Of COURSE they should. What I’m saying is that there’s absolutely NO reason to apologize for software that meets the needs of that large a swath of the overall market.”
I can agree with that.
As for percentages, if you’re throwing in iMovie and MovieMaker, then I think the FCP X number is lower than 80%. If you’re referring to what all the people on this forum produce, then 80% is probably a fair number…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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Well said Andrew. Better than well said, actually. I like the way you think… balanced and yet truthful…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Jeremy Garchow] “There was at least one podcast, uncountable Tweets, a few videos, and plenty of industry press and concern about the exact reasons why FCPX shouldn’t even be considered in the days and weeks after the NAB announce as well as the official release, and if you were one of the unlucky who did like it or use it, you were suddenly an unprofessional, or were somehow doing lower quality work, or your work wasn’t as complicated. In order for people to prove that the work may have been complicated, or high quality, or just plain worth while to watch, there had to be some over compensation.”
And if you saw any problems or had the bad form to mention them, then you “Just didn’t get it”. You were stupid and too unenlightened to see the “new reality”. Really?
Having used NLEs longer than a lot of the people who made a point of bashing me for mentioning some serious omissions, it was a bit insulting.
Obviously, if I thought X was crap, I wouldn’t have purchased it immediately. Moreover, as someone who was teaching FCP even before Apple had any established curriculum… and perhaps more interesting was asked by both Apple and Peachpit to submit all the incorrect info that I had noted in their books (not just with FCP), it was even more disappointing.
I think your level of satisfaction is directly related to your experience level with NLEs and the type of work you do. I have projects where FCP X is perfect and I have no issues. I have other projects where I’m swearing at it like a Gunny Sergeant. Not because I don’t know how to use it, but because it’s more tedious at certain things than other options. Does this make X a bad choice… of course not.
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Mitch Ives] “And if you saw any problems or had the bad form to mention them, then you “Just didn’t get it”. You were stupid and too unenlightened to see the “new reality”. Really?”
[Mitch Ives] “I think your level of satisfaction is directly related to your experience level with NLEs and the type of work you do. I have projects where FCP X is perfect and I have no issues. I have other projects where I’m swearing at it like a Gunny Sergeant. Not because I don’t know how to use it, but because it’s more tedious at certain things than other options. Does this make X a bad choice… of course not.”
Just to be clear, are you talking to me directly, or are you talking to the forum?
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Just to be clear, are you talking to me directly, or are you talking to the forum?”
Not directed at you. You did make the point on the one side of the coin, so I thought I’d cover the counter-point. I’ve haven’t felt any animosity from you, in fact I’ve enjoyed our exchanges…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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Walter,
That’s the issue. All but a few of us in this very forum spent the first year loudly proclaiming that X was maybe 10% useful and we advocates were stupid, unprofessional fanboys to think otherwise. With appreciation that you and a few others were always much less partisan!
At some point in year 2- I guess we quietly passed the 50% “X is tolerable” threshold.
And now I get general agreement on 80%. Amazing.
With that radical a bending of the perception curve, it appears I have all the justification I need for my original contention that X needs no further apologies from anyone.
I was called Pollyanna here more than once . But as with the Disney character, the result hasn’t been constant disappointment – but rather constant enjoyment that my positive outlook could grow and be sustained over time.
80% as a consensus is sweet indeed.
That plus feeling X was more than worth my time turns out to be precisely what’s made my life and work so much easier today.
Seriously, nobody but a dyed in the wool curmudgeon looks at any glass that’s 80% full – and thinks of it as an inadequate drink.
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