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The Story of Inventions – Frank P Bachman
Esteban Gonzalez replied 14 years, 7 months ago 13 Members · 26 Replies
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Glen Hurd
September 13, 2011 at 9:28 pmC’mon Andy. I have a man crush on you, too.
I didn’t criticize you for not considering him pro. I would never do that . . .
But I did bring him up as, what I think to be, a typical user of video that Apple could have been easily targeting.
Whether you like his style or not, isn’t it at least interesting that he feels Apple missed the mark for his needs as well?What I was responding to you on was the implied message that if he’s ADHD (and not using that style to show off his intelligence and timing) then what’s there to learn from his position? That’s what I was responding to.
And it was really a little, little dig at you. I could try peppering my comments with smiley faces, but that would start to lose its meaning, too – just like the word “pro.” 🙂I brought him up as an example of someone I think is a classic target for FCP X – someone who needs more than iMovie, but wouldn’t need the complexity of FCP original. Someone whose ingest needs are probably all file-based. Someone whose audience can be reached completely through the internet. Someone who doesn’t have difficult quality-control issues to consider. No special effects. Pretty much fits the demographic, right?
Considering all those factors, he has a pretty annoyed reaction to the “solution” aimed right at him. So the (implied) question is “why?” Did his experience with Premiere and FCP 7 color his language and interface skills enough that FCP X becomes its own barrier? Is the simplicity of a normal timeline something we take for granted, but something a less experienced editor might find essential? That would be ironic, wouldn’t it?
Most people are looking at FCP X from a pretty experienced perspective. Here’s a chance to see someone coming at it from the other side – yet having a very similar reaction. I find that intellectually interesting.
Instead, I see responses about him being annoying and a poster boy for ADHD. I didn’t post the link as a recommendation to his channel – my son just introduced him to me today. My son’s 12.
But it is an example of Apple missing a target. Maybe it’s just one guy. Or maybe it’s a thousand. At least I have an example of someone giving an honest assessment who doesn’t even know about The Cow, or even have any loyalty to Apple. ie. He’s not a FCP instructor/training facility giving me his opinion on the future of editing. (That’s called conflict of interest. See the difference?)
As to the “pro” issue, I’m getting tired of a term that means nothing. If “pro” simply means to make money or a living, then it loses it’s value in language, because it basically describes everything. The minute you make money with something, it becomes “pro” and, ergo, should be respected. If I write a brochure in Simpletext and get paid for it, does that make it “pro” software?
In the colloquial sense, no.
Pro football means the best of the best. Pro soccer – the same thing. It’s supposed to define the elite.So how would you describe good software that is quite useable all the way to the top of an industry? How about those who can push that software to its limits and beyond – as part of their own experience? Can we say that Avid is “hotshot” editing software, and that those who use it are “hotshots?”
Hmm. This could be difficult.
Heh.
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Aindreas Gallagher
September 13, 2011 at 10:36 pm[Dave LaRonde] “Can anyone with more patience than I have, or someone with more compassion for those suffering from ADHD that I apparently possess, kindly summarize what this genius has to say about FCX?”
not a gigantic amount? He doesn’t like it tho – the funny thing is – he’s well aware of imovie – thats his first reaction, that its imovie pro.
that’s what annoying him, the software that he’s familiar with as imovie being the new FCP is his point of irritation.Which really rather raises an interesting question about whether or not ubillos’s redesign of imovie ever truly gained traction in the mindset of casual mac users.
If apple in fact, spurning research, somewhat imagined an unexplored, larger base of imovie snowboarders.Apple may have gotten the entire thing wrong because the whole point of this was a bait and switch where they drag just enough of a reluctant broadcast market, and simultaneously explode the imovie base.
the professional base is currently urinating on this software from a height of clouds, and if this guy’s anything like the anecdotal truth, then apple may have completely miscalculated this entire thing.
Which means they may have burned the entire decade’s worth of an editing software base for nothing in the end, if, in fact, the new entrant base fizzles and dies. No facility I know of is purchasing a single FCPX license. I’ve ranted this fact in the past, but it keeps being true as a mortal lock.
not that I think any of this will leave them red eyed with terror and fatigue in cupertino. this whole situation is the smallest, smallest cheese.
http://www.ogallchoir.net
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Scott Sheriff
September 13, 2011 at 11:00 pm[Chris Harlan] ” He has an innate presence.”
How can one have an innate presence?
Innate means to come by knowledge naturally, to have a natural born skill, or be instinctively good at something.
Did you mean inane, which means pointless, annoying, or lacking sense?
Because he is certainly that.Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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Andy Neil
September 14, 2011 at 12:04 am[Glen Hurd] “Considering all those factors, he has a pretty annoyed reaction to the “solution” aimed right at him. So the (implied) question is “why?” Did his experience with Premiere and FCP 7 color his language and interface skills enough that FCP X becomes its own barrier?”
This is actually an interesting thought. Personally, I think Apple has an uphill battle to gain acceptance of their new paradigm since the old one has been in place for 30 years based on paradigm that has been around more than 100. Not that FCPX is really THAT radically different in practice. Sure the terminology has changed, but you still build a sequence in a timeline and sort clips into bins. It’s different enough to cause people to stumble though, particularly if they weren’t expecting it.
[Glen Hurd] “What I was responding to you on was the implied message that if he’s ADHD (and not using that style to show off his intelligence and timing) then what’s there to learn from his position?”
Actually, I was trying to point out that he probably lacks the patience to learn a new editing system quickly.
Andy
https://www.timesavertutorials.com
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Chris Harlan
September 14, 2011 at 12:54 amOh, dear. Fogey much?
Innate presence is actor speak for “know how to love the camera, and how to get the camera to love you back.” All in the eye of the beholder, of course, but I see bankable talent there. And he’s taking the tools he’s got and he is turning them into something. Good for him.
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Scott Sheriff
September 14, 2011 at 3:48 am[Chris Harlan] “Innate presence is actor speak for “know how to love the camera”
Sarcasm. I’m saying he’s hella annoying and not much else.
Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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Chris Harlan
September 14, 2011 at 5:21 am[Scott Sheriff] “Sarcasm. I’m saying he’s hella annoying and not much else.
“Really?! I had no idea that’s what you meant. Thanks for clearing that up. (place wryly winking emoticon here)
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Kim Krause
September 14, 2011 at 9:48 amthank you glen for having the balls to say what i’ve been thinking for awhile now…i’m always getting into fight s with so called pro editors (read: old farts that have been editing forever who need a kick in the ass
our industry has gone thru huge changes and is constantly evolving…fcpX is just another part of the evolution…get on bus or get left by the curb! i just got a nasty reply from someone when i mentioned that i look forward to the day i can post a whole show on a iPad then upload it to youtube and get 5 million hits and make a ton of cash…….hahahahaha -
Kim Krause
September 14, 2011 at 9:52 amlike i said earlier…you suffer from old farts syndrome…this guy is totally tuned into his generation….remember what that was like back in the 60’s? i’m sure you do!
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Martti Ekstrand
September 14, 2011 at 12:10 pm[Dave LaRonde] “Can anyone with more patience than I have, or someone with more compassion for those suffering from ADHD that I apparently possess, kindly summarize what this genius has to say about FCX?”
It’s not easy to grok anything he says but I think the nick name he came up with for FCX is spot on:
Final Cut Proxy.
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