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The Question – An Update On My Choices In NLEs
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[David Roth Weiss] “but if you’re a good driver and are comfortable operating a Volkswagen, you’ll get to your destination a lot faster in your Volkswagen that you would in a Raptor if you first have to learn how to fly.
So, while the continued evolution of X over the last three years may be wonderful for some users, for many others whose primary focus is creative decision making and storytelling, the evolution of the product has meant a continuous and arduous learning curve, one that interferes with their creative process instead of speeding it up.”
Absolutely true, at least the good driver part. I really think that if people spent time actually working in X, they’d be just as fast as they are in anything else. Having been cutting in FCP “classic” since version 1, I can work ridiculously quickly, and I put the same effort into learning X as I did 7. (or MC before FCP or Pr when FCP X (which I didn’t like very much at the time) appeared…) As a result, I can cut in it just as I do in 7. Fast.
The X “evolution” hasn’t really affected the fundamental way the timeline works, that’s been pretty much the same since it came out. It’s a complex NLE. Learn it, and you’re good to go. The same learning curve argument applies to people moving from FCP 7 to MC. That’s why Pr is popular with switchers I think. It’s the closest approximation of FCP classic there is. 😉
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[Steve Connor] “Nice to see you back on here David!”
Thanks Steve, I appreciate hearing that.
While we’ve certainly had our differences on various topics and on our modus operandi, it’s always refreshing to see that over time all of us can manage to come back and discuss just about anything.
BTW, though I hardly ever have much time to write these days, according to the Cow Hall of Fame, I’m still the #5 poster of all time on the site. That’s scary…
David Roth Weiss
ProMax Systems
Burbank
DRW@ProMax.comSales | Integration | Support
David is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.
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[Steve Connor] “Isn’t that (i.e. creative decision making and storytelling) the primary focus for ALL Editors?”
Well, you would think so, but there are just as many technicians, finishing editors, news cutters, sports cutters, VFX and Mograph pros, etc., to whom the connotation of speed may mean many different things.
The Adobe Suite for example, with dynamic linking to an entire set of apps, might make Adobe much faster for some editors than any other differences in speed you might be thinking of that exist with FCP X.
The bottom line is, any valuable discussion of NLE speeds is going to require a complex breakdown of each editor’s individual needs and workflows. There is no one size fits all discussion of NLE speed.
David Roth Weiss
ProMax Systems
Burbank
DRW@ProMax.comSales | Integration | Support
David is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.
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Communication, yes. Storytelling, no. I equate storytelling to editing reality TV, a feature film, news interviews. For the rest of us in the corporate world, we’re experts at communicating information. Occasionally it falls into the storytelling realms, but so often it’s training, employee communication, b2b, marketing, press releases, or consumer focused productions. I’d call us communicators. An extension of graphic and motion design with the added element of full motion video. So there’s a lot of crossover, but a storyteller is glamorizing what I do. In the last few weeks I edited a corporate music video parody and 10 how to videos. Earlier this year some news spoofs communicating employee benefits. All high end, but storytelling? Nah.
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[Charlie Austin] “I really think that if people spent time actually working in X, they’d be just as fast as they are in anything else.”
Did they put Replace on Playhead into one of the updates? If they did I might consider spending time learning it.
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[Bret Williams] “Communication, yes. Storytelling, no. I equate storytelling to editing reality TV, a feature film, news interviews. For the rest of us in the corporate world, we’re experts at communicating information. Occasionally it falls into the storytelling realms, but so often it’s training, employee communication, b2b, marketing, press releases, or consumer focused productions. I’d call us communicators. An extension of graphic and motion design with the added element of full motion video. So there’s a lot of crossover, but a storyteller is glamorizing what I do. In the last few weeks I edited a corporate music video parody and 10 how to videos. Earlier this year some news spoofs communicating employee benefits. All high end, but storytelling? Nah.”
But presumably you do apply creative decision making to these? I actually try to apply the rules of story to the Corporate Comms work I do as well, it doesn’t always work but I find it’s a good starting point!
No sig on my posts as it’s apparently very old fashioned
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Yeah… what you’re saying is a common one: Premiere Pro seems to ride the best balance between convention and new technology. Not quite sure how us other editors can genuinely add to your discussion. It seems you’ve thoroughly investigated and made a well balanced opinion.
I began my career on FCP7 and often wished for the death of Avid. Then I switched to Media Composer and funny enough, I prefer it now (probably due to the disproportionately high amount of training I received on it, versus the competition). However, I’m also editing a series on Premiere Pro too: great software. Their trim mode is so damn Avid-like now. As an Avid user… I feel very comfortable on the new CC 2014 version.
That being said, now that I’ve been using it frequently I am realizing that once the project size gets fairly large, the speed advantages of the engine start to dissipate (to be fair, we’re editing native AVCHD and H264… unheard of for Media Composer) … but… I guess the point I’m trying to make is that many of the speed advantages in all the NLEs starts to fade a bit into the background as the daily grind of editing just takes its course, until it doesn’t really become a topic of contention anymore.
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[Michael Aranyshev] “[Charlie Austin] “I really think that if people spent time actually working in X, they’d be just as fast as they are in anything else.”
Did they put Replace on Playhead into one of the updates? If they did I might consider spending time learning it.”
Yeah, that’s still missing. Also, reading my quote above it sounds like an admonishment, and it wasn’t meant to be at all. As some other threads here show, I guess wee need to choose our words as carefully as politicians now, lest we be misunderstood. 😉
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~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~ -
[Daniel Frome] “probably due to the disproportionately high amount of training I received on it, versus the competition”
ok – seriously – for kicks:
the keyframing? as you highlight the marker in the monitor for some reason to make it pink to then alter the keyframe in the panel? can we have a moment of sanity? or the fact that the effects nest? or the fact that you can’t operate any slip slide tools on the video object?
It’s more the sense that avid is going to continue dragging its horrible, modal, over engineered trim mode nested effects two minute start up insanity for all human eternity that would depress a soul.
I get that avid software can’t be killed by conventional field weaponry or SEC investigations – but why and how is the avid timeline, project structure and keyframing still alive? are they actual cousins to rasputin?
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “or the fact that you can’t operate any slip slide tools on the video object?”
theres slip and slide in Avid.
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