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The perfect workflow …
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[Bill Davis] “there are specific cow forums that seem to be built precisely FOR people interested in those topics”
There’s hardly anybody in the fusion forum though Bill. Have you seen it? It’s like a ghost town.
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If you want people to see it, the X forum is where it’s popp’n : )
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[Simon Ubsdell] “The initial edit was done in Premiere but I took it into Resolve and worked on it from there. “
Do you mean the edit was locked in Premiere and then moved onto finishing in Resolve/Fusion or that initially Premiere was used for the edit but subsequently dropped in favor of using Resolve for all the editing?
[Simon Ubsdell] “I know some people attempt this kind of thing in Media Composer – as far as I’m concerned, life is too short to waste time with that kind of workflow.”
Would you mind going into this a bit more? I haven’t used Fusion, but on paper it looks like MC Symphony and Fusion could be comparable to Resolve and Fusion. Is the MC/Fusion connection not as robust/useful as the Resolve/Fusion connection?
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[Andrew Kimery] “Do you mean the edit was locked in Premiere and then moved onto finishing in Resolve/Fusion or that initially Premiere was used for the edit but subsequently dropped in favor of using Resolve for all the editing?”
We moved the edit over to Resolve half-way through the process because we needed to be working on the look in conjunction with finalising the edit itself, something I should have made clear. As I’m sure you know, clients these days expect to see “finished” work from the very beginning – very different from the old days when you could fob them off with “it’s just an offline, we’ll fix all that later”. So this from point of view, being able to edit in an environment that is also the finishing environment becomes pretty important, hence the attraction of Resolve for this particular job.
[Andrew Kimery] “I haven’t used Fusion, but on paper it looks like MC Symphony and Fusion could be comparable to Resolve and Fusion. Is the MC/Fusion connection not as robust/useful as the Resolve/Fusion connection?”
I haven’t used Fusion with Media Composer/Symphony either but my understanding is that there is no difference in terms of the functionality, so yes, from that point of view Symphony could have been a route. Having said that, although I know a lot of users think Symphony’s color correction is great, I’m not one of them, and I don’t think anyone could claim it’s really in the same league as Resolve … or perhaps they would? So again for my money it would be the overall Resolve/Fusion ecosystem that would still win out here.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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[Tony West] “There’s hardly anybody in the fusion forum though”
Apart from me and I think two or three others. I do try to reply to most questions whenever I have the time.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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[Shane Ross] “Because yes, there are those who will state, unequivocally, that FCX is the end all and be all of NLE’s…and that the rest are horribly antiquated and anyone who uses them is a dinosaur.”
I don’t know that this has ever actually happened – certainly not for years. And on the flip side, the “FCP X is the worst thing ever, and professionals don’t use it” posts have also largely disappeared. Thank God.
The only reference to the dinosaur trope I’ve seen is people not using FCP X complaining about being labeled “dinosaurs.” Bill’s slightly aggressive boosterism of FCP X aside, I think pretty much all the FCP X users on this forum are very reasonable and cognizant of the pros and cons of FCP X related to different workflows.
Can we just stop using this canard?
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Brett Sherman
One Man Band (If it\’s video related I\’ll do it!)
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[Shane Ross] “Well, this is THE DEBATE forum.”
So, can we have a “Premiere CC 2017 – The Debate” forum too?
Scott Witthaus
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[Scott Witthaus] “So, can we have a “Premiere CC 2017 – The Debate” forum too?”
Only if we get a debate forum to debate about if the debates in the debate forums are being properly debated… or not.
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[Andrew Kimery] “Only if we get a debate forum to debate about if the debates in the debate forums are being properly debated… or not”
Could not have said it any better. But we can debate that too.
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
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[Scott Witthaus] “Could not have said it any better. But we can debate that too.”
Of course… but only in it’s own forum. 😉
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[Simon Ubsdell] “As I’m sure you know, clients these days expect to see “finished” work from the very beginning – very different from the old days when you could fob them off with “it’s just an offline, we’ll fix all that later”. So this from point of view, being able to edit in an environment that is also the finishing environment becomes pretty important, hence the attraction of Resolve for this particular job.”
I’d be very curious to hear how others approach this challenge.
This is a constant issue for us with design. It’s very difficult to have meaningful conversations about works-in-progress. We use a few techniques. Sometimes we have to burn (“invest”) time polishing a WIP we expect we’ll have to throw out, just to talk learn what will work and what won’t. Sometimes we can keep WIP elements painfully, obviously rough, if we’ve already demonstrated some polish earlier. Sometimes, we distill our questions about the work into A and B options and present them back to back, like an optometrist testing your eyesight. Sometimes we even present in person. (Old-fashioned, I know. Is a tongue-in-cheek dinosaur reference appropriate here?)
How do you show polish before you finish?
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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