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The Open Timeline and Spatial Workflows — Another Example
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Jeremy –
Your gonna have to post some video tutorials on your workflow. They sound fascinating but I have no idea what your talking about.
Herb Sevush
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[Herb Sevush] “Your gonna have to post some video tutorials on your workflow. They sound fascinating but I have no idea what your talking about.”
I hear that. In the mean time:
Very basically, you can create selects in the browser from long clips, put them in a nest, open that nest in it’s own timeline and edit it further if you need to (add filters, gaps, new clips, add markers, whatever). That nest is stored in the browser as a clip, I haven’t touched a main timeline yet (or Project as they are known in X). You can then skim (review) that clip and edit in to your Project. Since those clips will now be part of the nest from the browser, you can free them (or unnest them) by hitting a keystroke called “Break Apart Clip Items” which will then remove the nest and have it’s original clip structure (including tc).
It’s kinda sweet.
Jeremy
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Can you duplicate the compound clip and then alter the duplication, similar to the way I duplicate sequences in FCPc, with each dupe being a further refinement of the previous version?
Herb Sevush
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[Herb Sevush] “Can you duplicate the compound clip and then alter the duplication, similar”
Absolutely. Command-D.
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Well that could work. If every compound clip is it’s own timeline, then why can’t you just make multiple timelines and skip the compounding stage?
Herb Sevush
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[Herb Sevush] “Well that could work. If every compound clip is it’s own timeline, then why can’t you just make multiple timelines and skip the compounding stage?”
You absolutely could. I think there’s been some talk on here on how timelines used as organization are good, it’s how I use FCP7 as well, basically making sects reels as FCP7s browser is not real great. Because of the way FCPX handles sequences (form here on Projects), it might not be convenient to use multiple Projects. You can have multiple projects open, but you then have to copy from one project, browse (like a web browser with forward/back arrows) to the next Project and paste. The way I outlined allows you to use the compound as a sequence, but you can edit right from the browser in to your main project, and even match frame right back to the Browser. It’s just works a little faster and keeps everything in context.
Also, when duping Projects, you have to either dupe all the render files or none. This method cuts down on some of that inefficiency.
Jeremy
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[Jeremy Garchow] “You can have multiple projects open, but you then have to copy from one project, browse (like a web browser with forward/back arrows) to the next Project and paste.”
I don’t know about you but I can’t help thinking it would be preferable to have tabbed Projects rather than having to rely on the iMovie style Project window which really feels like it gets in the way of the flow of the edit.
Perhaps then there would be less need for having to rely on compound clips which while they are a good workaround don’t strike me as being ideal for this “edit-from-selects” workflow which seems to be very common. In fact, plus one from me on this as well.
Simon Ubsdell
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[Simon Ubsdell] “I don’t know about you but I can’t help thinking it would be preferable to have tabbed Projects rather than having to rely on the iMovie style Project window which really feels like it gets in the way of the flow of the edit. “
Yeah, I agree. But Projects hold a lot of info, like Roles (projects store Role info). So switching back and forth between projects takes some loading time, which is maybe what the web browser style is hiding? It’s really just a loading interface?
[Simon Ubsdell] “Perhaps then there would be less need for having to rely on compound clips which while they are a good workaround don’t strike me as being ideal for this “edit-from-selects” workflow which seems to be very common. In fact, plus one from me on this as well.”
Yeah, maybe, I dunno. But it’s not here today, and having all selects strung out in the browser is quite easy to view your selects. You could even make a smart Collection that adds all your selection Compounds automagically if you name all of your selects compounds with a unique text order that applies only to these kinds of compounds, something like CPSelects_JeremyInterview, then CPSelets_SimonInterview and have the smart collection add anything with “CPSelects_” or whatever. That way, all of your selects will be in one tidy little package in the browser. You can always “open in timeline” if you want more timeline granular control. I dunno, just some ideas. Here’s a pic:
Jeremy
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[Jeremy Garchow] “You could even make a smart Collection that adds all your selection Compounds automagically if you name all of your selects compounds with a unique text order that applies only to these kinds of compounds, something like CPSelects_JeremyInterview, then CPSelets_SimonInterview and have the smart collection add anything with “CPSelects_” or whatever. That way, all of your selects will be in one tidy little package in the browser. You can always “open in timeline” if you want more timeline granular control.”
Sounds like a good plan – I’ll definitely give that a go. Thanks for all the great workflow ideas you are throwing up by the way – really useful and insightful.
Simon Ubsdell
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[Simon Ubsdell] “Thanks for all the great workflow ideas you are throwing up by the way – really useful and insightful.”
Agreed. Always interesting stuff Jeremy, even if I don’t always agree 😉 Thank you!
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