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[Winston A. Cely] “Maybe I’m missing something, “
What you’re missing is that some people (me, for example) hate the idea of a closed computer, and have neither the room nor the desire for another monitor, and are therefore totally uninterested in the iMac (pro or otherwise.) Apple has finally brought back an open system computer, but only for those who can pony up 10K and upwards. If there were, as someone suggested, a Jr version of the Mac Pro offering the components of an iMac in an open system case that came in at 6K there would be hosannahs in all the land, but alas, such is not the case (pun intended.)
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “but only for those who can pony up 10K and upwards”
Which, in a “Pro” market, should be quite a lot of people! It’s not very much money for something that will give you 3+ years of use. I’ll get the costs back for mine in less than a year.
Camera Owners must be laughing their heads off at all the Editors angst about the cost of the Mac Pro
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In other words, there’s no middle ground? You either get a cheaper system that can be upgraded externally via crazy fast Thunderbolt, or crazy expensive system that lets you upgrade internally. You can’t get a sorta cheap/expensive product that lets you upgrade internally.
I don’t know. It sounds as if it is more of a question of ideas or specific notions of how things should be rather than Apple failing to provide tools for every level of professional use.
Granted, as a teacher, I can’t afford a regular iMac let alone an iMac Pro. Fortunately, teaching at a CTE school, we’re able to get our students and our instructors the tools they need, which in a couple of years will be iMac Pros for the students and a Mac Pro for me.
Winston A. Cely
ACTC Media Broadcasting Video Instructor
Apple Certified Editor FCPX 3\”If you can talk brilliantly enough about a subject, you can create the consoling illusion it has been mastered.\” – Stanley Kubrick
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[Steve Connor] “Camera Owners must be laughing their heads off at all the Editors angst about the cost of the Mac Pro”
Kinda an apples and oranges thing. Camera owners have a significantly higher day rate to cover the high cost of their equipment. But most freelance editors don’t have the option to charge a premium for their computer equipment on top of their daily rate.
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[greg janza] “But most freelance editors don’t have the option to charge a premium for their computer equipment on top of their daily rate.”
Then Bob Zelin’s vision of the future is true? I know you can’t charge as much per day as a RED owner, but people should be charging something?
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[Oliver Peters] ”
I’m not sure that’s true, but it depends on how you define success. Obviously there’s a workstation market, otherwise, HP and Dell wouldn’t manufacture such machines.”There is a much bigger market for PC workstations. I’m sure they can turn a profit on their workstations. I’m not so sure about Apple. But like I said, I don’t think for Apple it’s to make money. And like I said I also don’t have a problem with Apple serving this market. I do think there is a hole they are missing in the 5-8K range of people who want upgradeability but don’t need the performance (or cost) of this Mac Pro.
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[Winston A. Cely] “In other words, there’s no middle ground? You either get a cheaper system that can be upgraded externally via crazy fast Thunderbolt, or crazy expensive system that lets you upgrade internally”
With Apple there are no options in the middle ground. Plenty of people love working on iMac’s. I’m not one of them. In the PC world you can fine/make/buy any option you want, but my clients are Apple only and I’m stuck with the limited choices Apple offers. Again, they’re not bad computers, they’re just not for me.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Steve Connor] “Camera Owners must be laughing their heads off at all the Editors angst about the cost of the Mac Pro”
Which is why I don’t want to own a camera. But the difference is I don’t charge for my editing rig; having the latest Mac Pro won’t allow me to up my fee, or attract new customers. It will only make financial sense to buy it if I can save $10,000 (or will it be 12K ?) of my time over the next three years, which I don’t know that it will do. I’m probably a lot older than you and can see the end of my career on the horizon; if I knew I would still be doing this work 5 years from now it would be less of an issue.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “But the difference is I don’t charge for my editing rig”
Have I missed something over the last few years?, are we not charging out our edit systems any more? Why? is it competition driving the price down so people can’t charge?
I don’t bill much for kit, but I do charge!
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[Steve Connor] “Have I missed something over the last few years?, are we not charging out our edit systems any more? Why? is it competition driving the price down so people can’t charge?”
It’s been that way in NY for years and years, actually since FCP Legacy made it’s in-roads. Most editors at home work on laptops like Bill, how much can they charge for a laptop? If I want to edit with big screens, external broadcast monitors and high end GPU’s that’s considered my choice and no one is going to pay me more for it. Hell, many facilities now are nothing more than desks with laptops, an iMac is considered an exgravagence.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin\’ attached to nothin\’
\”Deciding the spine is the process of editing\” F. Bieberkopf
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