the big question left in the P2 flow

[Nigel Thompson]

I would say Tape as an aquisition format, is now packing it’s bags to move out of the premises. For mastering and delivery to stations they will still be around.

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t it a matter of a software update in the new decks (Pro HD that is) to ad extra features like the just did with the spx800. So far does not seem like a bigge to me.

Nigel

Trini 2 D Bone
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[Luis Caffesse]

[jeremiah black] “how do we master that out to DVCPROHD tape? 1080/24p isn’t supported by any Panasonic DVCPROHD decks. Is Pansonic releasing new decks?”

I’d be shocked if we saw a new deck that recorded 1080/24P.
I mean, what would it cost? The lease expensive DVCProHD deck right now is still a bit over 20 grand.

My best guess right now is that you would have to master out to another format. Of course you wouldn’t want to go to HDCam at that point, and lose color information. You could go HD-SR.

You’re right, it is a bit of a problem.
But then again, considering where we were a year ago, these are good problems to have.

Hopefully Jan can chime in on this one, and give us a good indicator of what they see as the workflow for the unexpected 1080/24P that everyone is so excited about.

Luis Caffesse
Studio 3 Productions, Inc.
Austin, Texas

[Jeremiah Black]

Oh yeah, I’ve long thought tape as an acquisition foramt needs to go- that’s why I’m so excited about P2.

As far as “software updates in the new decks” goes- this is exactly my question. I have heard about any new decks being mentioned. If anyone knows anything about a new deck coming out, please post. I thought the contingency was unlikely because just released a new deck- the 1200.

jeremiah black
dual 2 gig G5
2.5 gigs of RAM
Decklink Extreme capture card

[Jeremiah Black]

Luis,

Mastering to HD SR seems entirely cost prohibitve for people excited about a camera that costs under 10k. I’d personally do it if I had shot a feature film, but short of a big project like that, I wouldn’t spend the dough. Or, I should say, if I had acess to that kind of dough, I’d have shot on the Varicam from the begininng.

I also think new decks are unlikely to come out seeing as Panasonic just released new decks.

And I’d further be surprised if Panasonic expects people to be mastering out to Sony products. I’m sure they’d much prefer to take care of the entire workflow, soup to nuts, with Panasonic gerar. That way they can ensure compatibility and costs that are in line with their target buyers. At least, I know Sony would never allow such a thing.

However, I am 100% positive that Panaonic will have an easy solution for us. They’re no way a company like that could possibly overlook an issue like this. Hey, that just means more surprises are in store in the next few weeks, and given Panasonic’s track record, they’ll probably be pleasant ones.

jeremiah black
dual 2 gig G5
2.5 gigs of RAM
Decklink Extreme capture card

[Luis Caffesse]

[jeremiah black] “Mastering to HD SR seems entirely cost prohibitve for people excited about a camera that costs under 10k”

Apparently my slight sarcasm doesn’t come across as well on screen as it does on the phone, Jeremiah. Yeah, I would think it wouldn’t be a realistic option for most people, you or I included. Same reason I doubt Panasonic is going to give us a 1080/24P deck. Most people at this price level won’t be buying a 20K deck to support only one shooting format on an under 10K camera.
(by the way, I love being able to say things like “one shooting format”).

But you’re right, there’s got to be an easy answer, and hopefully we’ll hear it soon.

Luis Caffesse
Studio 3 Productions
Austin, Texas

ps.
you don’t have to pretend we don’t know eachother by the way
🙂

[Chris Bell]

Don’t forget Panasonic’s widely used D5 format. You can master 1080p to D5.

Chris Bell

[Jessecoane]

Jan has stated on dvxuser.com that the 1080 24p will be recorded in the same way the dvx does 24p. At 24 clean frames recorded at 60i with an advance pulldown. So i assume the output to dvcproHD tape would be similar. 24p with a pulldown.

jesse

[Gabriel]

If you want to master 1080/24p to tape, you can use HD D5, which support basically any format.

Gabriel Costache
Sales Engineer
Panasonic NZ Ltd

[Luis Caffesse]

[jessecoane] “Jan has stated on dvxuser.com that the 1080 24p will be recorded in the same way the dvx does 24p. At 24 clean frames recorded at 60i with an advance pulldown. So i assume the output to dvcproHD tape would be similar. 24p with a pulldown. “

Well, if that’s true, that brings up an interesting question.
If 1080/24P is going to require the use of a pulldown, then essentially what is being recorded to the P2 cards will be 108060i?

That seems awfully wasteful in terms of storage space.
That would mean the datarate on 1080/24P would be the full 100mb/s, with a good chunk of that being taken up by pulldown frames that will eventually be discarded anyhow.

I wonder if Jan might be able to enlighten us on this one, or if we’ll just have to wait for NAB.

Luis Caffesse
Studio 3 Productions, Inc.
Austin, Texas

[George]

the current panasonic solution is a constant 59.94 FPS with frame tagging to give you most of the other formats.

they have a frame rate converter that can convert between a variety of formats on the fly.

the 24p is likely 23.98 within the current 59.94 frame tagging format. Just as 720/p 23.98 is extracted from the 59.94 with varicam.