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[Bill Davis] “and oddly, he’s still cutting on FCP X.
In fact his entire presentation was basically re-imagining the Voiceover tool as a simple multi-track recorder for music tracking and sweetening”I think you mean this:
It should be noted that Michael is talking about personal use as a DIYer. Certainly Light Iron relies on a lot of very ‘heavy’ (non-Apple) iron in its professional work. Although LI’s colorists have graded films edited with FCPX.
I would counter though, that once you get deeper into bussing and effects processing, FCPX is quite possibly the worst audio option. Certainly Logic Pro X is a far, superior choice. FCPX is great for the simple stuff, but you quickly outrun your skis.
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[Bill Davis] “Well, I spent about 5 straight hours with Cioni at the LACPUG where he presented – and oddly, he’s still cutting on FCP X. “
Bill, do you think I’m surprised that Cioni is using FCPX? I was merely pointing out that he was purposefully distorting the meaning of language in order to make his sales pitch.
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No, that’s a produced piece.
At the LACPUG he did a live scoring session on stage using FCP X as a basic multitrack recorder. Throughout he discussed many of the reasons he likes working that way.And honestly, comparing ANY NLE with dedicated sound production tools is a bit like comparing a pocket knife to a full Chefs knife set. You do full time food prep all day long – a full range of quality knives are considered essential.
But NOBODY carries a Chefs Set around on their daily errands – and you can cut, dice and cleve a pretty astonishing number of things if you have a good pocket knife with you when the situation arises that you need one.
That’s all I’m saying. ????
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[Bill Davis]”comparing ANY NLE with dedicated sound production tools is a bit like comparing a pocket knife to a full Chefs knife set”
Perhaps you should have a play with Resolve and see what a fully fledged DAW inside an NLE, VFX Grade tool looks like. The Fairlight page is about 90% of the stand alone Fairlight DAW which is arguably the best DAW. To have something nearly that good inside a free NLE is astounding.
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[Michael Gissing] “To have something nearly that good inside a free NLE is astounding.
“Oddly, I feel the exact same way about the full-fledged range based keyword database and Roles systems inside X.
And while I can purchase excellent grading tools for grading work via FCP X – (including porting my projects into a Resolve for grading!) – I cant really reproduce the instantaneous integrated “clip call up” magic of X inside anything else.
So it’s kinda a matter of where you feel the need for the extra strength.
I EDIT before I color. So for me. The stronger “assembly” approach of X wins that one.
Plus, for me the penalty of using Tracks again is simply too great a step backwards. I *think* magnetically now. So the idea I’d need to go back to disconnected assemblies of video, audio and text snippets that I can’t compose into magnetically aligned assemblies just won’t fly any more.
To each their own!
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“And while I can purchase excellent grading tools for grading work via FCP X – (including porting my projects into a Resolve for grading!) – I cant really reproduce the instantaneous integrated “clip call up” magic of X inside anything else.”
Once a project gets to the color or audio mixing stage there’s very little need for instantaneous clip call up so it’s a bit confusing as to why that’s a plus in your eyes.
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I guess you missed the point of my reply to your post Bill. You implied no NLE had hi grade DAW tools inside by comparing NLE sound tools to pocket knives instead of Chef’s knives in dedicated DAWs.
Do you agree that Resolve has a Chefs knife quality grade and sound tools inside? I’m just asking that you look at what is on offer before voicing assumptions as to what other NLEs offer in the DAW area.
None of us need reminding of your position on X but you specifically made the statement “And honestly, comparing ANY NLE with dedicated sound production tools is a bit like comparing a pocket knife to a full Chefs knife set”. Care to comment on what I was responding to? If you quote me and then give another testimonial rather than answering my post, it isn’t a debate.
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Personally I would have stuck closer to the actual points that Micheal was making in that video (I’m guessing he made similar ones on stage) rather than the knife analogy. In the video he pointed out that 1. There were profession sound tools in X and 2. That he likes how easy it is for him to slip sections around in the X timeline making it easy for him to see how the sound plays with the picture. I agree with both those points and they are hard to argue against.
I would also make the case that what he was dealing with was not “simple” audio stuff. I would argue that most people who earn a living editing never touch some of the tools in that video. They likely spend most of their time fixing background noise, distortion and just having levels that don’t blowout the person who is speaking.
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[Tony West] “That he likes how easy it is for him to slip sections around in the X timeline making it easy for him to see how the sound plays with the picture”
Although I am critical of audio mixing in FCPX from time to time, his use of the Auditions function for evaluating multiple musical performance takes was pretty cool.
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Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[greg janza] “Once a project gets to the color or audio mixing stage there’s very little need for instantaneous clip call up so it’s a bit confusing as to why that’s a plus in your eyes.
“We probably just have different workflows then.
I find that my first couple of passes kinda combine base grading, shot selection and proofing sound on the fly as my clips are selected and start to earn their way into my primary storyline.And well into the edit, I may be touching sound and color for both existing clips and shot substitutions. So my need to search and substitute – or add and subtract content from my magnetic assemblies runs pretty deep into my process.
To each their own.
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The shortest path to FCP X mastery.
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