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TED Goes FCPX
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Hear hear. The ones that needed years and years way back when to wrap their head around matters and are now scared out of their minds that their “elite status” will disappear too quickly, along with the endless admiration for for being the only ones that get what all those knobs, buttons and random pop-ups do. That’s why this fancy-shmancy, new and easy-to-use stuff CAN NOT be tolerated! … ¼” TAPE is where it’s at! ;)”
Quarter-inch tape? I thought that Luddite dinosaurs were the ones who criticized what they didn’t understand?
Dismissal of the past and fear of the future might just be two sides of the same coin. Both put assumptions over experience.
Walter Soyka
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Sarcasm is not your strong suit, mh? 😀
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Sarcasm is not your strong suit, mh? :D”
If your post was not a derogatory critique of some amorphous group of “senior editors,” but rather a comment meant to underscore the value and continued relevance of their experience and an acknowledgement of all the change (industry and technology alike) that they have successfully managed in their careers, then yes, I’d say we have firm evidence that demonstrates how sarcasm is lost on me.
The senior editors I know are old dogs who have made a career of learning new tricks, who have earned the title “senior” not by mindlessly punching time but by building their careers on continuous improvement.
Walter Soyka
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[Walter Soyka] “I’d say we have firm evidence that demonstrates how sarcasm is lost on me.”
Yepp. 🙂
Never mind that I consider myself a “senior editor”, just not that kind. I can differentiate.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Never mind that I consider myself a “senior editor”, just not that kind. I can differentiate.”
Robin, I read a lot of your posts here and know you to be a very smart and sincerely helpful person — very giving of your time, and a real asset to the community.
I’m just sad to see the “Luddite dinosaur” argument popping up here again. Dismissing the real concerns of real working pros with such little consideration like this carries all the insight and intellectual honesty of the “iMovie Pro” argument on the other side.
Personally, I think Charlie nailed it above. Resistance to change is real, but someone being reluctant to switch applications because using their current app is as natural as breathing, allowing them to function at a very high level, is just not the same as being “scared out of their minds that their ‘elite status’ will disappear too quickly” or seeking “endless admiration for for being the only ones that get what all those knobs, buttons and random pop-ups do.”
That kind of rhetoric strikes me as needlessly divisive. It carries an air of superiority that erects a barrier to advocacy for an app with real benefits to offer. I think we’re better discussing the pros and cons of the solutions in context than attacking the successes and motivations of our peers outside of it.
Of course, if that’s the part you were being sarcastic about, meaning you think that the people who are hesitant to adopt FCP X have a valid point, then yes, I have blithely and repeatedly missed your point and humbly apologize.
Walter Soyka
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Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Walter Soyka] “I’m just sad to see the “Luddite dinosaur” argument popping up here again.”
Never mind that it never originated from me to begin with. Aside from never attacking any real person in any way either, only a personal caricature. I also don’t see anyone actually feeling spoken to either. If you want to take (imho) exaggerated and misguided offence to it all… oh well. This is mountain and mole-hill material if you ask me. Don’t see the truly relevant point, sorry. Cheers.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “mountain and mole-hill material”
Best alternate name for this forum yet!
[Robin S. Kurz] “Aside from never attacking any real person in any way to begin with, only a personal caricature…. If you want to take imho exaggerated and misguided offence to that… oh well.”
I take no offense, and I’m sorry if I’ve unfairly singled you out with my criticism.
Your caricature coincides with a popular misconception — see just about any discussion here about Avid for examples of this in action. As someone who tries to take a pragmatic approach to NLE selection, having steered some clients toward FCP X and some toward Premiere over the last three years, I think that the stereotypes of FCP X users and non-users just promote misunderstanding and interefere with fact-based discussions of workflow issues.
Like I said before, I really do respect what you do here. I hope there are no hard feelings.
Trying to move back on topic… for me, the most interesting lines in this article were not included in the quotations above.
Of the hold-out editors: “They wanted to make sure they could do their job without having to use a tool that slows them down.” That’s not being fearful of becoming irrelevant, that’s being cautious to preserve their high standards. If the editors who were responsible were willing to leap before they looked, they wouldn’t be doing their jobs.
On practical experience: “People were starting to come around to the idea of FCPX before Sam showed up.” That illustrates the exact open-mindedness and exploration that many have very seriously argued is missing from established professional editors.
On overcoming objections: “Glass says the team also made sure they socialized the learning process by ‘putting ourselves in a room and a bit more systematically made sure everyone voiced their concerns and shared their ideas. A lot of good has come out of that.'” Involving everyone in the decision and process instead of forcing it from the top down is a great approach, not just for morale and making people feel good, but for actually validating the approach at high and low levels.
It’s not easy to change an established workflow. Congrats to all involved in the project for doing it well.
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Walter Soyka] “fact-based discussions”
It is a fact: some folks are justified in their considerations of behaving like a luddite dinosaur while others are not justified.
This is context by way of CS6 > CC > CC2014 (wrong forum I know). And I’m particularly aiming at the accounting department who cannot fathom a world where software is a rental expense. These luddite dinosaurs believe Software can only be a capital expense.
Women and men of the accounting departments of the world, please, please. Search your souls. This editor needs to send multiple sequences to AME.
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[Walter Soyka] “I think that the stereotypes of FCP X users and non-users just promote misunderstanding and interefere with fact-based discussions of workflow issues.”
The divisions between “workflow issues”, stickiness on a certain method, and unwillingness to work differently is excessively muddy. I’m not sure you can separate them. What I’m confident about is everything I’ve seen come out of TED could easily be done with X. Due diligence is good, but I don’t know why FCP X should have been scrutinized any differently than Premiere Pro in this regard.
For many of us X users, we see enough anecdotal evidence that some editors (who are typically older – but hey so am I) are resistant to FCP X based on false impressions that it is not a false trope, but a phenomenon.
It’s not true that editors who don’t edit with X are dinosaurs, but it’s also not true that every editor judges the software based fully on it’s actual merits.
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[Brett Sherman] “For many of us X users, we see enough anecdotal evidence that some editors (who are typically older – but hey so am I) are resistant to FCP X based on false impressions that it is not a false trope, but a phenomenon.
It doesn’t have to do with X though. Mac vs. PC. Ford vs. Chevy. Canon vs. Nikon. PlayStation vs. Xbox. There’s a mixture of brand loyalty, tribalism, familiarity and choice-supportive bias the rears its head up in everything from work tools to tennis shoes. I honestly don’t think there’s anything uniquely ‘scary’ or ‘unsettling’ about X that strikes fear into the hearts of editors. It’s just the same ‘defending my turf’ crap on a new day. I remember editors using FCP Legend getting mad when they got pissed on by editors using Avid, but then the FCP editors were just as eager to piss on editors that used Premiere or Vegas… I guess we’re all just jerks with selective memories.
It’s not true that editors who don’t edit with X are dinosaurs, but it’s also not true that every editor judges the software based fully on it’s actual merits.”
True. Though if you are trying to get someone to judge X on its actual merits it’s best not to refer to them as dinosaurs. 😉
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