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[walter biscardi] “Thousands, maybe millions, of highly educated people have a job (or maybe don’t even have a job) that’s not even remotely associated with their college degree.”
Most of the people I know have jobs and careers that are completely unrelated to the degree that they earned at school. Obviously, careers like medicine, law, etc., are *usually* not included in this phenomenon.
I have always chalked this up to careers being planned by young people who think they know what they want to do and be, but aren’t always aware that the world is changing fast and most of the jobs being offered today were not being taught in school not that long ago.
I remember reading somewhere that people who are in school now are going to face a world in which most of the jobs that will face them in their lifetime, are not even part of any current curriculum.
Best regards,
Ron Lindeboom
CEO, CreativeCOW.netCreativity is a type of learning process where the teacher and pupil are located in the same individual.
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
– Antoine de Saint ExupéryFirst they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
– GandhiBetter is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with the poor spirits who neither enjoy much, nor suffer much because they live in a gray twilight that knows no victory or defeat. – Theodore Roosevelt
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Been speaking to 5 com-tech teachers in my area. 1 says he does 85 hours a week, the others say when they finish all the lesson plans for the first semester they use the same lessons for the new batch of kids for the second or maybe modify a bit. Most of the work is hands on during class time. They shoot, edit, photoshop, storyboard….and so on, during class or the at home. The teacher passes around a hard drive and then looks and grades them on the finish product. I think there maybe a lot to take home at the beginning then after you do this for a while it sounds like it gets easier. I don’t know that’s what I hear.
I just don’t see 85 hours a week, i see maybe 50-60 or so if your involved in extra stuff like yearbook and plays. Any of you guys considering teaching com-tech in high school? -
Big important difference between:
— teaching technique
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— being an artistThey’ve been teaching writing for quite some time, a couple millennia, but great works are still 1 in a bazillion.
Same thing with film and video. You might know what a noun phrase appositive is, but that in itself isn’t writing. You might know how to operate FCP, but that in itself isn’t editing.
Film and video has only been taught since when the late 1960s or so, about the time the phrase “copping out” was coined.
(My wife’s a professor.)
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[Nick Griffin] “Well sure if you’re 18 to 22 years old training to work in television or in a recording studio or in an ad agency sounds like a lot more fun than getting a “real” job. But how much sense does it make for institutions to churn out eight or nine or ten people for every one or two actual jobs which will be available? What possible justification is there for this? Hence my use of the word “moral.””
The saddest part in this sordid mess, are the ones whom the teachers will not politely tell them that “Your work is simply not going to get you a job. This is not your talent and the chances are that you will not have a chance in a market that already is far too glutted, anyway. But let’s compare your sense of design, color, editing…” — whatever they are doing — “…with some of the current work in the market.”
I see people in the COW who post work that is simply so void of talent and is so bad that when I tell them an honest critique, then all the bleeding hearts bemoan my meanness. I am not mean, I just think it is cruel to let someone spend their parents’ money on an education that is going to do them almost no good because everyone was too worried about hurting little Johnnie’s self-esteem.
I can’t tell you the number of people over the last 15 years that I have seen on our forums who come in thinking that they just graduated and are going to build a career. They open a shop on Mom and Dad’s money investment, which is in addition to M&D’s investment in their education and degree, and a year or less later, you see the fire sale on gear for sale in the Classifieds forum.
It has always been a heartbreak to me. I hate to see it. But I always scratch my head in bewilderment at the pros here who are far more concerned with being politically correct than they are in being honest, when some honesty would go a long way in helping some of the Truly Talentless & Artistically Inept from entering an already horrifically over-saturated market.
And yes, I realize that art is subjective, but I also know that there are some videos that I have watched in this and other sites, that wouldn’t have a .001% chance in hell of ever selling anything to anyone.
Kathlyn and I have a saying that we use when we see someone like this, and it goes: “Well, there’s more of Mom and Dad’s money wasted on having picked the wrong career.”
If I were an instructor at college, I would spend the first day showing nothing but exemplary work and pointing out the nuances and little things that make it brilliant work. And I would purposely try to scare the hell of people who think this is going to be a cakewalk on easy street and that making videos is fun. Yeah, right…15 to 18 hour days under heavy deadlines and intense pressures is a ball!
For those who get 8 hour days: you are such a minority in this market that you are the truely brilliant and my hat is off to you.
For the rest: get back to work, and if you are lucky, get your intern to fetch you some lunch at your workstation.
The Increasing Pragmatist,
Best regards,
Ron Lindeboom
CEO, CreativeCOW.netCreativity is a type of learning process where the teacher and pupil are located in the same individual.
Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
– Antoine de Saint ExupéryFirst they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
– GandhiBetter is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with the poor spirits who neither enjoy much, nor suffer much because they live in a gray twilight that knows no victory or defeat. – Theodore Roosevelt
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what do you mean by this?
“Film and video has only been taught since when the late 1960s or so, about the time the phrase “copping out” was coined. ”
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[grinner hester] “Papers? Man I don’t grade papers. There is none involved. I’ve never killed a single tree in this process. “
Can you imagine if buildings were built without blueprints?
Can you imagine building a jet fighter without CAD drawings?
How about making the Godfather, Citizen Kane, or even Up in the Air without a script?
I saw the new reality series, Romancing Cindy Margollis, on TV the other day Grinner, it’s right up your alley. You should use it as a course guide for your students Grin. It’s perfect for you, because by not using paper you’re teaching them not think.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los AngelesPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, Indie Film & Documentary, and Film History & Appreciations forums.
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It means: I guess I typed too fast and didn’t get the timing on a (bad) joke very well. Trying to connect some nefarious dots. Sorry it wasn’t too humorous, as I’d hoped. “Copping out” is a synonym for wimping out (what you said in your post).
The Film and video part, though, is an observation that teaching is an important thing, for the student, but it doesn’t mean the student will be an artist.
More…I’ve found that when I teach a thing, I seem to get better at doing that thing.
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[Ron Lindeboom] “If I were an instructor at college, I would spend the first day showing nothing but exemplary work and pointing out the nuances and little things that make it brilliant work. And I would purposely try to scare the hell of people who think this is going to be a cakewalk on easy street and that making videos is fun. Yeah, right…15 to 18 hour days under heavy deadlines and intense pressures is a ball! “
That’s exactly what Curran Engel did for me and many many other students at AAU, SF.
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This thread it too… something. I’ve turned down 3 teaching offers because I asked if I could fire the kids who didn’t really have the passion for it! They said no. I wasn’t going to deal with slackers.
Steve
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Hey Nick,
[Nick Griffin] “But for every one who is working how many are there with an expensive degree or certificate in our glamorous profession who are working behind the counter at the corner convenience store?”
True. I don’t think that in the UK it is as difficult to get into universities and do Media as it would be to study to become a surgeon or a lawyer or in financials etc.
You’ve got two problems in the UK, one is that the universities, as much as they are heavily subsidized, they are also running a business relying on “customers”. And it is very hard not to pass a media degree in comparison to some of the other studies. I’ve actually had one job interview where the applicant told me that he was no good at anything else, so media looked very attractive as a degree – which he passed.
The second is that we have a government that want to send 50% of the youth to university, so in the bigger scheme of things + it looks good for the “international standing statistics” to pass as many as possible out of universities, with a degree – even if that is in media.
The effect is that students coming out are actually offered (if any) a wage lower than that of a person working in a corner convenience store. And then only on a 6 month contract, or the employer would have to offer pension, maternity leave etc. So currently, if you want to break into media you need either an uncle working on the inside, or parents that are willing to fund you after your degree. Until you one day wake up and realize that you can’t afford the mortgage, car, dog, kids, spouse and so forth – hence why you will have to end up where you started – teaching at the college or university in media studies… Unless you’ve found another calling.
All the Best
Mads
London, UKLatest video to watch here:
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