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Take a gander Mac users:
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Well I’m just like John Rofrano. I’d run Sony Vegas on my Mac for over two years and Vegas runs beautifully. I’d have everything on my Mac except FCP X. I’m using Motion 5 and Compressor. Within this year I’m thinking about changing over due to the TV stations internationally wants Pro Res 422 as the final format.
Yes, I can delivery Avid DN x HD. They think Pro Res 422 holds up better re-editing.
In addition, don’t want to give up on Vegas. Because I have invest into too many Vegas plug ins.
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Its a pity Vegas cannot output Pro Res 422 Jonathan. Dont know why
they think anything else cannot hold up well for re-editing, (tsk).Steve Rhoden (Cow Leader)
Film Maker & VFX Artist.
Owner of Filmex Creative Media.
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Yes Steve. Pro Res is basically a differ favor of Quicktime.
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[Angelo Mike] “He doesn’t like FCP X, but isn’t Vegas more functional than it? And doesn’t it offer more features?”
Not really. FCP X has gotten steadily better from it’s initial release so if he’s only familiar with it’s initial set of features, it’s a whole new program now worth taking a second look.
The “magnetic timeline” of FCP X is pure genius. It blows away track based editing that other NLE’s use. All the problems I’ve had with ripple edit in Vegas are gone in FCP X because it handles this much better (no more timeline gaps, no more hidden events). FCP X has built-in functionality like Plural Eyes (automatically syncing audio) and audio noise reduction, video stabilization, rolling shutter correction, background pre-render for smooth frame rates regardless of how many FX you use, media management that is far beyond what Vegas has. The compound clips are better IMHO than nested projects in Vegas. It comes with a rich set of content including professional lower thirds, animated backgrounds, drop zones, etc. and has tight integration with Apple Motion (which is like After Effects) and you can easily make new transitions and effects with Motion and export them to FCP X to use. The newly introduced Library | Event | Project system makes it extremely easy too manage your assets. I could go on…
I have found FCP X to be very productive to work with and I’ve been using it for all of my new projects lately which is forcing me to learn it. I’m not as productive as I am in Vegas Pro yet but I’ve been using Vegas for over 10 years so that’s to be expected. I use both Vegas Pro and FCP X now and they are pretty equal in features with FCP X being a bit quicker to edit in due to the magnetic timeline.
Now if your friend doesn’t like FCP X because of the magnetic timeline, then he’ll still hate it. I prefer the magnetic timeline over track based editing.
~jr
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Wow. I had no idea, since all I’ve heard is people complain about FCP X being stripped down.
Um, it sounds like you’re saying it makes sense to just switch to FCP X. Is that what you’re saying? If I had the money I’d get that and start learning it while still using Vegas. It would certainly make me more desirable for employers.
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[Angelo Mike] “Wow. I had no idea, since all I’ve heard is people complain about FCP X being stripped down.”
Well it was stripped down when it first came out but Apple has been steadily improving it. It’s now at version 10.1.3 and it’s a quite capable editor.
[Angelo Mike] “Um, it sounds like you’re saying it makes sense to just switch to FCP X. Is that what you’re saying? “
No, I’m saying that if you are a Mac user, then you should give FCP X a serious look. Moving to Windows is not trivial. I’ve been using Windows for 20+ years and I’ve been using Mac OS X for two years and I couldn’t imagine going back to Windows so I couldn’t imagine a Mac user wanting to switch to Windows just because of one program (an NLE). This is why I would recommend to your Mac friend that they stick with a Mac and learn FCP X.
I’m not saying that Windows users should abandon Vegas Pro and switch to FCP X. I certainly would not have. I moved to the Mac for other reasons. But I no longer use Windows and I got tired of waiting for Sony to port Vegas to the Mac, and I got tired of needing Windows just to run Vegas Pro so I bought FCP X and started learning it and I’m really liking it. That’s all I’m saying. There are still projects like Photo Montages that I use Vegas Pro for because tools like Ultimate S Pro make me a lot more productive than I can be in FCP X. So I still use both depending on the project.
[Angelo Mike] “If I had the money I’d get that and start learning it while still using Vegas. It would certainly make me more desirable for employers.”
You can get a new Mac Mini for $599 or a used one for $299. I got a 2008 Mac Pro 2.8GHz 8-core, 16GB for $740 on eBay. You don’t have to spend a lot of money to get a Mac. The fact that I would rather edit on a 5 year old Mac Pro than brand new Windows PC speaks volumes about how well Mac’s perform and last.
Bottom line: If you are happy with Windows stick with Vegas Pro. If you are on a Mac or moving to Mac anyway, take a look at FCP X.
~jr
http://www.johnrofrano.com
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I think I’d definitely stick with Vegas, at least for the foreseeable future. But if I had the money laying around, I’d get a Mac and FCP X just to be able to learn a different editing software, get experience with it and see where it improves on Vegas, and to be able to make myself desirable to more employers.
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[Angelo Mike] “I think I’d definitely stick with Vegas, at least for the foreseeable future.”
Agreed. My point was not to get you to switch. My point was to help you advise your friend to take a second look at FCP X before doing something as drastic as moving to Windows just for one application when there is one just as good available for their Mac (and it cost less).
[Angelo Mike] “But if I had the money laying around, I’d get a Mac and FCP X just to be able to learn a different editing software, get experience with it and see where it improves on Vegas, and to be able to make myself desirable to more employers.”
It’s always good to know more than one NLE. Having seen people have multiple problems trying to move projects between applications and platforms, my advice to editors who have to work with other editors that use a Mac is to just buy a Mac. IMHO, it’s not worth trying to get Windows and OS X to play nice together. You need to use the same tools that your collaborators are using. Get over it! 😉
~jr
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Sorry Gents, i could not at this point in my career invest any more
time and resources in another NLE, i would go absolutely crazy.
I’ve invested toooo much resources, time, learning, Vegas based
workflows, scripts, plugins and projects.
So i’ll just sit back, relax and enjoy hearing all about the great
benefits and features other NLE’s offer, lol.Steve Rhoden (Cow Leader)
Film Maker & VFX Artist.
Owner of Filmex Creative Media.
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[Steve Rhoden] ” i could not at this point in my career invest any more time and resources in another NLE, i would go absolutely crazy.”
I agree if you are happy with what you have. I moved to the Mac for reason’s other than video editing. That left me with no NLE. I use Vegas Pro with Bootcamp and VMware Fusion but that still means I have to deal with Windows. So that drove me to try a solution that was native to the Mac and I found that I liked it. Had Sony created Vegas Pro for Mac they way they did Sound Forge Pro for Mac I probably would have never tried FCP X but I got tired or waiting for something that might not come. Considering that they were working on Catalyst and not Vegas for Mac, I’m glad I didn’t wait.
[Steve Rhoden] “I’ve invested toooo much resources, time, learning, Vegas based workflows, scripts, plugins and projects.”
Good thing you’re not a Software Engineer. As a programmer you are expect to change your tools about every two to three years to keep up with the trends. I programmed in Java for years. Then I had to learn C# to develop Vegas Pro plug-ins, now I’m learning Ruby on Rails developing Software As A Service solutions for the cloud. So I think nothing of learning new tools all the time. (but then again… I’m a geek) 😉
~jr
http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com
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