SVP GRINDS to a halt

[Scott Francis]

Hi Chris,

Really appreciate your help on this. I did download the zip and the program does not appear to be doing anything. It opens up into a command prompt box for a quick second and then nothing. Can I ask where you downloaded it from?

Thanks!

Scott Francis
Mind’s Eye Audio/Video Productions

[Scott Francis]

Thanks for checking John!!! I downloaded mediainfo and saw that it is an MOV file format in the MP4 wrapper. Must have something to do with it being a Quicktime format. What version on Quicktime are you using, any thoughts if it is a version issues?

Thanks again!

Scott Francis
Mind’s Eye Audio/Video Productions

[Chris Young]

Scott ~

Doh! Got in real late from the shoot and saw your posting and ran off on the keyboard without thinking it through fully. New day now and the mind is working correctly now.

You have to install a program called ‘EZEncoder’ for all these little .exe utilities to run. Really had to dig through my archives to find out where I got it from… finally found it! Go to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUgkANdvnbw

Watch this youtube video and it will explain the whole process. Then go to

https://hypedphoto.com/ezencoder.cfm

and download EZEncoder

Down the bottom of the hypedphoto.com page you will find all the following utilitiies. I downloaded the lot and have used a few of the utilities over the last couple of years. MP4 to M2TS is in that lot. I think your problem will be solved once you install EZEncoder. Let us know how you go!

Deinterlace Footage
MJPEG Conversion for Stock Video Sites
Convert All Videos In A folder To Apple ProRes 422
Watermark Your Videos
Get Video Information
Convert Windows Media WMV
Convert HD to SD
Convert VOB’s
M2T Conversion
MTS Conversion
MXF Conversion
Make PNGs from Videos
Make Videos from PNGs
1500K Bitrates
Crop 16:9 to 4:3 Aspect
Progressive Footage Conversion when other methods fail
ScreenRecorder With Audio Capture

Good luck!

Chris Young
CYV productions
Sydney

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[John Rofrano]

[Scott Francis] “I downloaded mediainfo and saw that it is an MOV file format in the MP4 wrapper. “

Yea, I saw that too. That prompted me to re-encode the file with QuickTime Pro and that file played back at full frame rates 29.97 fps. Here is what’s happening:

The file from Blackmagic has these attributes in Vegas Pro:General
Name: 7359_test2.mp4
Folder: E:\Video Projects\Testing
Type: QuickTime <== Note: it just says "Quicktime" !!!

Plug-In
Name: qt7plug.dll <== Note: Vegas is using Quicktime plugin !!!
Folder: C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas Pro 12.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\qt7plug
Format: QuickTime 7The file that I re-encoded with QuickTime Pro has these attributes in Vegas Pro:General
Name: 7359_test2.mov
Folder: E:\Video Projects\Testing
Type: Sony AVC <== Note: it correctly says "AVC" !!!

Plug-In
Name: compoundplug.dll <== Note: Vegas is using internal plugin !!!
Folder: C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas Pro 12.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\compoundplug
Format: Sony AVCSo the Blackmagic file is not recognized by Vegas Pro as an AVC/H.264 file because all it is being told that it’s some type of QuickTime file and so it passes the processing to QuickTime which is not GPU enabled. The file I encoded with QuickTime Pro is correctly flagged as AVC/H.264 and Vegas Pro knows how to process that so it uses it’s internal compoundplug.dll which is optimized and GPU accelerated.

The problem should be reported to Blackmagic. Maybe they are not encoding the metadata in the file properly. You should also report the problem to Sony because they might be looking in the wrong place for the video format. The QuickTime Player correctly identified both files as being AVC/H.264 in it’s Inspector (Ctrl+I) so it might be a Vegas Pro issue as well.

In the mean time, if you can find a utility that can change the flag in the MP4 file from “QuickTime” to “AVC/H.264” that would solve your problem without re-encoding but you would have to get Sony to tell you what flag they are looking at to know what to change.

I never asked but if the Blackmagic device can record in other formats, including QuickTime, I would try one of those and see if you have better luck getting Vegas Pro to recognize it correctly.

[Scott Francis] “What version on Quicktime are you using, any thoughts if it is a version issues?”

I always use the latest version which currently is 7.7.5 but the problem is with the metadata in the file, not QuickTime.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com

[Chris Young]

That is indeed an interesting follow up. Did QT have to re-encode or just re-wrap. I was always under the impression QT Pro can’t re-wrap only re-encode which is what the OP wanted to avoid if possible.
Yes both BM and Sony need to be made aware of this issue.

There is always something to keep us on our toes!

Chris Young
CYV Productions
Sydney

[Scott Francis]

Hi John,

Really appreciate the input….any idea where I could get a metatag editor that does flags?
I Googled a ton yesterday with no luck…

Scott Francis
Mind’s Eye Audio/Video Productions

[Scott Francis]

Hi Chris,

Got your software stuff to work and really appreciate it!! My antivirus continually saw the scripts and such as malware….have you had this experience?

Scott Francis
Mind’s Eye Audio/Video Productions

[John Rofrano]

[Scott Francis] “any idea where I could get a metatag editor that does flags?”

Unfortunately I do not. This is probably something that either Sony or Blackmagic need to fix.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com

[Chris Young]

Glad you got it working. Hope it gets you over your current problems Scott. It’s a pain when we have to use work arounds but failing this sort of approach what can we do until Sony script Vegas to accept this format codec combo. It is after all a QuickTime file!

Look I can’t remember if my AV flagged those scripts. If it did I have told the AV that these little suckers are okay because I don’t get any warnings.

Chris Young
CYV Productions
Sydney

[Norman Black]

I noticed the video file you uploaded in AVC video with AAC audio. It has an MP4 extension but it is actually a Quicktime file, aka MOV. I know underneath the covers the two formats are nearly identical twins, but I said nearly, and that is why the header says Quicktime and not a true mpeg-4.

Vegas special cases Quicktime files which have AVC video and PCM audio. For those files Vegas uses it own internal decoders, which will give better performance. Otherwise Vegas will go through Quicktime and not we are opened up to performance and/or compatibility issues.

Also the QT AVC decoder is known to add a little noise to decodes. This is fine for playback of low bitrate video but not something we want for camera video.

The later is a reason why Vegas, Premiere and maybe others bypass Quicktime in some cases. All DSLRs and digicams typically output MOV with AVC video and PCM audio and these people want high quality decodes.

To get past the problem without encoding the video you can use something like Avidemux to remux the Quicktime MP4/MOV format into a true MP4 file. Vegas does support AVC video and AAC audio in actual MP4 files with its internal decoders. GoPro files are in this format.