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Spreading Rumors
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[Andy Neil] “That is why I said it was hyperbole. “
bud – come on.
“Where’s your derision for the people saying that Apple isn’t planning on adding multicam back in..?”
reference to hyperbole needs to be grounded in spoken hyperbole. You weren’t referring to hyperbole, you were making an unsubstantiated statement idealising a perfectly ridiculous statement from people you don’t agree with on this issue.With respect, you did a good trawl after the fact to dig up supporting statements of a sort, but there is no way in which there is a held position that multicam is in question.
I would never say that craig seeman or anyone else is waving a 52 state flag in favour of this application. there are honest differences of opinion here. people arguing the problems with this app are doing just that.
I’m not saying you, but… certain people have tended to frame the dispute on this forum in passive aggressive denunciations, a failure of the forum in their eyes. And well, then maybe they go ring up the cow.. and then maybe they quote supreme court judiciary or something. (sorry – way too snarky) howandever – this forum now explicitly appears, in its title, to exist as a debate forum for the issues surrounding the decisions made by apple here. that would seem to merit all actions of debate.sure for kicks here’s one:
the fact that there is a fat, dripping drop shadow when i lift the clip is. a. chrome. too. FAR!!!!!!. **thumps desk**
The timeline should be a thousand fold japanese blade in its responsiveness, and god knows, I’m serious – it isn’t, and that is near unforgivable – that is actually one of my true, true bug bears: the gallons and gallons and gallons of chrome on the timeline – feeling the fractionally sluggish clip and all its subtle glows and shadows move, watching the clip filmstrip tortuously generate at high zooms drives me somewhat completely off my rocker. Apple badly need to re-discover their GUI chrome zen. The glom on this timeline is a disgrace.Its equivalent is to click placing the marker in word and waiting a horrible fraction of a second – every single bloody time
considering the criticality of perceived timeline action in editing – their treatment of the timeline on that level is a disgrace!!!! I have slapped my glove on the table!http://www.ogallchoir.net
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[Andy Neil] “Where’s your derision for the people saying that Apple isn’t planning on adding multicam back in”
I certainly would have pointed that out if I had seen such a thing, but I haven’t seen any one make that particular statement. Have you?
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[Andy Neil]I said it was hyperbole, which it was. That IS “owning up to it”.
Not really. You claim you are engaging in hyperbole as part of your strategy, but your original post is very clear that you are trying to take the middle ground between one position that exists and one that does not. You asked Mike:
“Where’s your derision for the people saying that Apple isn’t planning on adding multicam back in, or any true “professional” features because they are only interested in making gadgets and toys?”
Now, why would you utilize hyperbole here? How can Mike show derision for something that does not exist? If you meant something else, then why did you not say what you meant? I don’t feel like I’m going out on a limb here to say that you assumed that such a statement had been made without really knowing so and thus you stated something out of your own ignorance of what had been said so far. The “hyperbole” is an afterthought to cover for that erroneous assumption.
It was also grouped with another ridiculous statement from the “pro FCP X” debate, but you just seem to ignore that because it doesn’t help you.I’m not sure what you are saying here. Why do I care that you were half-right? Sure, people are making “facts” that Apple has certain features planned, one only has to see the numerous references to Alex4D to pick up on that. So why would I even reference it? You can have derision for something that actually exists.
I never stated it as a fact. There are no quotes on the statement. You are simply reading into it what you want.Andy, please don’t insult my intelligence.
“Where’s your derision for the people saying that Apple is running slave labor camps and that FCPX is a way to brainwash the masses!”
Oh, wait, I didn’t mean that anyone was actually saying that! I was just using…uh…hyperbole! yeah, that’s it!
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[Gary Huff] “You can have derision for something that actually exists.”
Then show me posts that prove my statement, “those saying that FCPX will have all the pro features back by the end of the year.”
I was exaggerating on both ends. That group doesn’t exist any more than the one you’re railing on about. Just because you THINK it exists, doesn’t count.
[Gary Huff] “Andy, please don’t insult my intelligence.”
Why not? You’re insulting mine.
Andy
https://www.timesavertutorials.com
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[Andy Neil]Then show me posts that prove my statement, “those saying that FCPX will have all the pro features back by the end of the year.”
You know what? You’re right. I have no idea if anyone has said that (and probably not). I didn’t pick up on that last “end of the year.” But that begs a “so what?”
Here is Mike’s original line about that:
When people speak for Apple (as if they worked for them) saying that Apple will or will not be adding features in the future it really does not help anyone since this is pure speculation on their part.
He never says “end of the year”, so again, something you just threw in there. No one on the pro-FCPX is saying “Hey, it’ll all be good at the end of the year!” and no one on the anti-FCPX side is accusing them of saying that.
Except you.
So now you are wrong on both counts, which makes your original post pointless.
“Where’s your derision for the people saying that Apple is running slave labor camps and that FCPX is a way to brainwash the masses!”
Oh, wait, I didn’t mean that anyone was actually saying that! I was just using…uh…hyperbole! yeah, that’s it!
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[Gary Huff]“So now you are wrong on both counts, which makes your original post pointless.”
Not at all. My post had a very clear point. You however, have not been interested in my point. You’ve been commenting on the manner in which I’ve made my point. It would be a relief if you actually commented on the point of my post, but if you claim you don’t know the point of it, you’d be insulting your own intelligence.
Andy
https://www.timesavertutorials.com
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[Andy Neil]You however, have not been interested in my point.
Your point is right, but not in the reasoning you give.
You say that both sides need to stop pretending that they speak for Apple when it comes to speculation on what features will or won’t be added,
This is correct. You can’t state that Apple will add needed missing features as a fact, nor can you do the same that Apple will not.
but you only slam the “cult-like” fanboys.
Now you are wrong.
Where’s your derision for the people saying that Apple isn’t planning on adding multicam back in, or any true “professional” features because they are only interested in making gadgets and toys?
Now you ask Mike where his derision is for people who are saying things that have never been said.
You know, the vast majority of posters.
Wrong again.
There is as much truth to any of that as there is to those saying that FCPX will have all the pro features back by the end of the year.
No one has stated that either. So you are wrong yet again.
Andy, where is your derision for people who are claiming that Apple is involved in slave labor and is using FCPX to brainwash the minds of innocent editors?
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[MIke Guidotti] “I think it is OK for people to knock or praise a product that they have used and know. On the other hand I think it is bad for people to spread rumors either for or against something when they have no actual knowledge of it. When people speak for Apple (as if they worked for them) saying that Apple will or will not be adding features in the future it really does not help anyone since this is pure speculation on their part”
Speculation and rumors are two completely different things.
Prior to the NAB supermeet there were a lot of posts by people talking about how great and glorious the new version of FCP will be. And this was before the apple take-over of the supermeet was announced. All that talk would be your rumors.
Now that the supermeet demo has happened, and there are published specs, and software to actually try (if you want to) anything said about why this or that was done by apple, is speculation.
Humans work on speculation. Speculation is the mechanism that lets us learn from others mistakes. Most of us know not to do the things we see in movies like “Jackass”. We don’t need to actually get punched in the nuts by a midget, or ride a bike off a roof into pool full of jello, to know this is a good way to get injured. Common sense tell us these are dumb things to do, and we don’t need personal experience to know that. Using those same skills, it is not necessary to work for apple to accurately speculate on the target market for X. We can see the release features in X (or the lack thereof), the unannounced withdrawal of FCS3, the lack of a hands on demo, or Q&A at NAB (where you had a captive audience made up almost entirely of the inner core of the profession), coupled with apple’s handling of Shake and that is plenty of information to form a speculative opinion about X, and the X demographic.
Going back to rumors. Saying that this or that will be added in the future, is a rumor, not speculation. Because if these features were intended to be in the product, they would have been there from the get-go. All the decompiled code, and hearsay in the world is not enough evidence to contradict apples actions, which can be seen and judged by all. It is this type of wishful thinking that keeps the ‘three card monte’ guys, in business. There is always a percentage of people that ignore what can be seen and judged, in favor of fantasy that goes against common sense.Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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[Scott Sheriff] ” We don’t need to actually get punched in the nuts by a midget”
Speak for yourself, man.
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