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Sony HVR V1U vs Panasonic AG-HVX200
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[StuS57] “Fact is, Canon hdv edits great on a g5 quad, no different than dv, and side by side picture comparisons of the A1 & HVX are very, very close.”
Stu
Are we talking on a cinema display or on a Real HD broadcast monitor, because my waveform and vectorscope tell me something different. I agree with michael on having to work color correcting HDV content from a Sony HDV camera. I had to go for “a look” also. I am glad that you are so happy working in HDV, but how have you delivered that content and to whom. Most broadcasters I know will still not take HDV any more than they will take DV. As an HD deliverable HDV content can be spotted almost instantly on waveform and vectorscopes. Even after being dubbed.Despite the bum rap on using P2 cards- I have never lost any data, not a frame. OK, many people do not choose to be data wranglers, but with the firestore unit or using a P2 store these issues have fairly well fleshed out by this time. Working in a tapeless HD format requires the will, dedication and a huge amount of storage.
I chose something better than that incredibly compressed HDV format, and I am wiling to take the time and make the effort with both of HVX 200’s so that I can get the most out of my content for the delivery.
(and Jan it is good to see you here!)
gary
gary adcock
Studio37
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Wayne,
Get a Firestore. They now do 264 minutes of HD 720Pn for about the price of one 8GB P2 card. You don’t even have to use the MXF format anymore and transcode when importing into FCP. Like Gary, I have not lost a single frame using this workflow, and it is very affordable. I’ll never go back to tape. I do however have plenty of old 2″, 1″, 3/4 tapes you can use as doorstops.
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” If the HX200 camera could record to tape, you’d be in business with us. It all comes down to the cost of running the camera as compared to the final output.”
Actually storing HD on tape is almost 6 times as expensive as storing on hard disk. DVCPRO HD 32 min tapes cost $48 at BH. That breaks down to $1.50 per minute. Using p2, and shooting 720 24pn, you can store 1000 minutes (400 gig) on a 500 gig drive that costs $260. That breaks down to $0.26 per minute. Even if you double that to provide an additional drive for redundant backup, you still are 1/3 the cost of shooting to tape.
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I completely agree with you 100 percent!
Tape does degrade over time and will eventually break. But let me say that a hard drive’s life span is still much shorter than tape. The lifespan of DVDs are still to be determined also. BUT, the real question you have to ask and everyone should agree with this… where and what do I archive my footage? DVDs are still too small for any real life project. Blu-Ray is still too young to rely on. DLT is the way to go, but it is terribly expensive.
So, what do you do if you are a small shop? You have to use hard drives. Well, I don’t feel comfortable with that option since I have three LaCie door stops righ now. After about four years, a hard drive will become very unstable and may die IF you don’t spin them up every week. Who has the time for that?
Panasonic shoots a much more beautiful picture than Sony when it comes to P2 vs HDV. There is no question P2 is more beautiful than HDV.
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This is the reason why we went with the XDCM HD system with HDV support.
XDCAM HD discs are $30 for 66 minutes shooting in HQ mode (35 mb/s). Again, myself and my company are very reluctant to archive to hard drives because they do fail and don’t last near as long as tape and especially XDCAM HD discs.
All of our programs are mastered to XDCAM HD using the DVCProHD 1080i60 Easy Setup. Its a great workflow for us.
By the way, I still have some old DV tapes that are around 8 years old that still look great when used…
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Wayne Carey
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