Sony EX1r LCD screen Gamma

[Brian Paterson]

Thanks Michael,
That’s very kind of you. I have a lot of experience over they years in calibrating monitors, mainly for print purposes but I will look into this in relation to the Sony. My initial post was simply posing the question as to whether there was something hidden in the menu settings I had missed which would enable me to tweak the LCD colour but obviously there is not. At least knowing that I can start to plan a way around it.
Many thanks for everyone’s help and invigorating discussions on the subject.

I wish you all a very Merry Christmas at this time of the year.

Regards
BRIAN PATERSON.

brian paterson

[Robert Quimporte]

This is equipment designed for creative professionals. And creative professionals — artists working in broadcasting and vdeo production or graphic arts — should look at creative jobs in Switzerland or the multiple career opportunities in the United Kingdom

[Michael Slowe]

Brian, I’m actually not a professional in the sense that I earn my living from film making, as you appear to do. I’m not “looking down my nose at you” and nor are other members of The Cow. There are no “exalted positions”, we are all struggling to produce our best. An external monitor allied to an edit system is standard practice with everyone I know who edits their material, both commercial and non commercial. Most of what they shoot, (and all of what I shoot) ends up by being viewed on a TV screen, either plasma or LCD. I’ve rarely seen a computer screen that matches one of these big TV’s. If yours does then you’re lucky. I would have thought that your customers, having paid a decent amount for their DVD’s, would want to view the wedding on a decent size TV screen rather than on their computer. Certainly the parents and grandparents would.

I still can’t see what your problem is with shooting your wedding videos. If your EX is set up correctly you’ll get decent pictures with accurate colour. As I’ve already written, you can set colour temperature figures within the Picture Profile menu.

Michael Slowe

[Robin Probyn]

You can change your camera settings to anything you want.. in the picture profiles.. but its for the whole camera look,not just the monitor LCD.. but that monitor should give you a fair idea of what you see is what you get.. thats what Im saying.. why do you just want to change just the monitor.. the camera image will be different..

But changing the camera settings is dangerous without at least once when your doing it.. connecting up at the very least to a pro level monitor.. nearly all have built in wave form monitors etc.. you can rent a monitor for $50 a day..or pay someone a few hundred to help you.. then you will have your look and can save it to a memory card..

I dont think anyone is being condescending towards you Brian.. cheer up its xmas.. 🙂

[Brian Paterson]

What I edit and colour grade using my Mac always seems to look great on a large LCD or Plasma Screen. I don’t have a problem with that. However I do post wedding trailers online which are viewed on all sorts of bog standard none calibrated computers and they still look great as far as I have seen. ( you can check me out at https://vimeo.com/41606469 or for a none wedding film with more natural colours https://vimeo.com/37430634 – something I did for fun but with all the same equipment I use for a wedding. If you think my colours a way out then please let me know. By the way I do not make a living from film making either. I probably only do four or five weddings a year as they are so badly paid. Hence there is no money for an external monitor and I am still struggling to pay off the camera. You must know some well off people if they all have the luxury of external monitors. Some of us are struggling just to pay the mortgage.

Yes I realise you can set picture profiles, of which I have about six set up, but that function cannot make independent adjustments to the LCD. The colour of that profile will still be different when I see it on my computer by exactly the same degree of difference that already exists between the camera and my Mac. As I said you can set contrast brightness and saturation in the LCD settings but not Hue as far as I can see. I will also repeat for the umteenth time it would be helpful if I could adjust the hue ( maybe by reducing the yellow just a little ) to match my monitor as ultimately it is that monitor I will end up using to do the grading. Right now I know that the footage will come out a bit more yellow but by how much is always an unknown. I could alter my monitor but have spent quite a bit of time setting it up to reflect the accuracy of the print work I do for a living so I do not want to upset that balance.
I suppose I could make a separate profile and save the settings to call up when editing videos and I may yet do that but this whole thread started with just a simple question which was, – does anyone know if I there is something I missed in the camera’s settings that can alter the gamma of the LCD on an Ex1. That is all I wanted to know. As yet I have not had a Yes ( or a no ) but I guess the answer is- NO !

Maybe one day i’ll win the lottery and buy that professional monitor to see how accurate Sony’s settings really are.

Thanks for discussing this
With Regards BRIAN PATERSON.

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[Clint Fleckenstein]

“I produce wedding videos and post them on the internet. That is where people view them. On computer monitors. Probably not as good as the one I have in most cases.” …

This is no new phenomenon; since the 1930s content providers have been trying to reproduce an accurate picture on myriad different sets of varying quality and manufacture. Even two identical displays will show the same signal differently, so what do you do? That’s where the reference comes in. You cannot possibly put out a signal customized for every display that’ll see it, so you have to put out a correct, accurate signal – and it’s up to them to adjust their displays properly to take advantage of it.

Nobody’s being snooty with you; rather, the only solution to your quest for accurate color and gamma is to get a properly calibrated reference monitor. Period. If that’s not feasible, then trust your camera’s display first.

Have you purchased a cheap Spyder or other monitor calibration tool for your computer’s display? If not, then you’re chasing this from the wrong end in the first place. Most computer displays, despite what they say, are about as accurate as most computer speakers…which is to say, not. Don’t question your Sony’s built-in display before you have established what your computer’s doing.

“The theory of colour and all the talk between the geeks and the so called professionals is mainly bunkum. We all see colour differently anyhow but we will never know how the other person sees it.”

Strange observation from someone looking for help in getting an accurate display.

Again, if you haven’t calibrated your computer’s display then you would be ill advised to go tweaking on your camera’s display in order to match it.

Cf

[Michael Palmer]

Clint
I’m finding that the answer is not always the answer.

Good Luck
Michael Palmer

[Brian Paterson]

Clint,
Of course you cannot possibly put out a signal customized for every display that’ll see it. That is why a little adjustment in the camera would help.

Currently my monitor has good natural greys and whites. I could adjust this to make it more yellow to match the Sony but then the grey’s and the whites look horrible so it would be far simpler to tweak the LCD screen so I can see like for like. It is not going to make any difference to anything other than make my life easier because I will still edit on the same screen and colour grade the final ouput as I do now. I don’t know why you can’t get your head around that and if you believe I am outputting my colours wrongly whilst thinking what I see on my computer to be perfect then please check out a couple of my very short trailers on your calibrated monitor and tell me how far out you think they are. ( you can check me out at https://vimeo.com/41606469 or for a none wedding film with more natural colours https://vimeo.com/37430634 – It would be nice to get an opinion from an expert.

Regarding “Snooty”- that might be the wrong word, what I really meant was that a lot of the forum experts seem to talk down to their audience by saying you can’t possibly do this or that without this piece of equipment or that piece of equipment, as if it grow on trees. However we don’t all come from a world where this sort of equipment is affordable or lying around in abundance at our friends places.
I am not so stupid that I don’t know the benefit of having a calibrated monitor and if I could afford one I would not be writing in to ask you if I could tweak the LCD. Instead I would be writing in to ask you about information on Calibrated monitors.
My original question was to ask if there was an adjustment in the ex1 to tweak the colour of the LCD screen. After all Sony have provided three of the elements to adjust the gamma so why not the fourth.

I have had meetings with teams of expert from Barco in the past when I owned one of their monitors and their theories are all very well. But in the end all the waffle and technical dissection of colour amounts to nothing if you can’t “see” it and “feel” it.

BRIAN PATERSON.

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