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So what happens to our hardware…?
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I don’t want to take anything away from the Pegasus R6. It’s fast.
Autodesk is actively promoting the Pegasus R6 as a viable storage system for Smoke [link] on an iMac or MacBook Pro. (There are whole other discussions in this about how most editorial really doesn’t need a workstation anymore and how graphics co-processing is increasingly important.)
That said…
[Jeremy Garchow] “The 6 drive Pegasus array runs at 800MB/sec with SATA drives. If it had more drives, it’d go faster. Faster drives would go faster. For data only, thunderbolt is a winner.”
10 Gb/s (10,240 Mb/s?) divided by 8 is 1,280 MB/s raw line speed. I assume there is some overhead, but I have no idea how much. 800 MB/s may be closer to the limit than we might have thought.
I believe the Areca box I think Frank was referring to would use dual 4x SAS connections from an 8x PCIe controller, but I don’t have one and that’s just an educated guess.
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Yes, it hooks to 8x Pci-e controller. That’s the beauty of those new 8x Areca controllers. They can expand to a hell of a lot of storage, still occupying just one slot. Their larger Raid controllers are even faster.
The Pegasus is a great box and it is freakin’ fast, don’t get me wrong. This is by no means an attempt to diminish the TB potential. But it just isn’t faster, smaller, cheaper. And for some purposes it isn’t fast enough when you have one port and several high-bandwith devices chained together.
That was my point.Plus, there simply isn’t a lot of hardware out there atm. It may come, it may not. I don’t want to bet on things that may come when I know I have a variety of options right here, right now and they work and do what I need them to do.
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They tested both 4 and 6 drives there. Thanks for that, I haven’t seen those benchmarks.
This all harkens back that Apple “can’t” release a MacPro with 10Gb Thunderbolt. It would be futile. 100Gb thunderbolt would make sense.
So, does this mean they will kill it? I tend to think not, but I know how most people feel. Trust is lost with Apple.
If you read the paper that Walter S linked to, even intel themselves say it’s for mobile computing, in which there’s performance like never before: Link to Paper
Pertinent quote, it’s all about mobile:
“For some power users, optimal workflows can be had with workstation performance and expandability while using a thin and light laptop. Thunderbolt technology enables using the thinnest and lightest laptops, connected, with “in the box” performance over a single external cable, to high-performance external media drives, HD displays, HD media capture and editing systems, as well as legacy I/O hubs and devices, for the utmost in performance, simplicity and flexibility.”
Jeremy
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[Herb Sevush] “I don’t know how work can be disconnected from the tools you use.
“Herb,
Who’s arguing that they should be “disconnected?”
All I’m saying is that if one is a great pianist, it’s insignificant for the audience if you’re playing a Steinway, a Bosendorfer, or a Yamaha.
Similarly, if you need additional tonal colors – you go with a Hammond B3- or a Moog, or whatever.
With advancement, maybe you get ALL those tonal colors via ProTools.
The point is that the critical skill is to decide which approaches are “frippery” and which are harbingers of a new trend in the industry. (I can almost hear you argue that this is not a “new trend” at all, Herb, but for the vast majority of general editors, it is EXACTLY that – since they haven’t had the capability to do the serious data management that the top end pros have enjoyed for a long time.)
The elevation of data handling to a position perhaps “as important” as the timeline itself, appears to me to be a trend that FCP-X is driving down to the “industrial” level of video editing.
And I think that’s going to prove to be a VERY welcome change.
FWIW.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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[Bill Davis] “Who’s arguing that they should be “disconnected?” “
Apparently I misunderstood what you were getting at in the previous post. But then you wrote:
[Bill Davis] “The elevation of data handling to a position perhaps “as important” as the timeline itself, appears to me to be a trend that FCP-X is driving down to the “industrial” level of video editing. “
This I don’t quite get. Are you saying that data handling, by which I gather you mean the sorting, labeling and organizing of the elements that will go into the edited sequence is as important as the actual selection and arrangement of that data on the timeline? If so I pretty much agree with that, although I don’t separate them, I think of both of them as elemental to the job, even though much of the data handling is often thought of as “ass’t editors” work.
If I’m correct in parsing your meaning, I don’t see how this data management is “new” to the industrial level of anything. I do understand that FCPX is very advanced in it’s data management and I envy you that resource. But unless I’m missing something it would be new for any level of editing – what does the “industrial level of video” have to do with it?
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Seems a perfect article for this thread. “Is the Mac Pro Dead? Apple Responds.” I found it interesting there are only 25 people on the Mac Pro team.
https://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/is-the-mac-pro-dead/1566
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author, Chef.
HD Post and Production
Biscardi Creative Media“This American Land” – our new PBS Series.
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Herb,
I’m trying not to make presumptions about FCP’s competitors here. I’ve seen enough posts where someone essentially says (but editing package x already does that beautifully) to feel confident making a personal assertion that the advances I see in X – over what I know as a longtime FCP editor are unique to X.
I suspect that a large chunk of the new, robust database model in X is innovative. Certainly it is with respect to Legacy. But I just don’t have enough knowledge of the other NLEs to state so broadly.
Simple as that.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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[walter biscardi] “Seems a perfect article for this thread. “Is the Mac Pro Dead? Apple Responds.” I found it interesting there are only 25 people on the Mac Pro team.
https://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/is-the-mac-pro-dead/1566“
Nice one, Wally.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Nice one, Wally.”
See, we still agree on stuff. 🙂
You should come down to Atlanta and put on an FCP X workshop.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author, Chef.
HD Post and Production
Biscardi Creative Media“This American Land” – our new PBS Series.
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[walter biscardi] “See, we still agree on stuff. 🙂
You should come down to Atlanta and put on an FCP X workshop.”
I’m flattered!
But it might crash. :-/ 😀
Let’s see what happens after “Early 2012”.
Thanks, Walter B.
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