shotgun mic for indoors/outdoors aplications

[Oleg Zinkovetsky]

Yes, I understand the point about indoors, but why not to use hyper outdoors? Better derectivity, better off axis rejection, so why not to use it outdoors also?
Sorry to drive u crazy with this kind of questions, but I’m new in this kind of sound and never used hypers before.

[Ty Ford]

I was crazy long before I met you.:)

You can use a hyper outside. In fact, if you’re anywhere there’s a lot of middle and low frequency noise around you (traffic, machinery,, etc.)and you want to isolate the voice from the noise, you’re better off with a hyper or super.

The Schoeps cmc641 is one of the best. I’ve used it outside and inside. Outside, with a black top parking lot on one side and a huge glass window on the other, a hyper or super will do better than a shotgun.

Shotguns are said to have “reach.” Well they do have high frequency directivity, not no where near as much as much directivity with mids and low, so that stuff gets into you audio in a very unpretty way.

If you can’t get a schoeps get an AT4053B or Audix scx-1 HC and get wind gear; a zeppelin and a fuzzy.

Regards,

Ty Ford
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[Oleg Zinkovetsky]

Thanxxx a lot. Last question. Is sen mkh 50 or 8050 is a good choice? My friend is sen authorised dealler, so can get a dealer price for it.

[Ty Ford]

Then listen for yourself to both. I find the 8050 has too much bottom and too much top. The MKH50 is a better choice.

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[Oleg Zinkovetsky]

thanxx a lot. the last question if you don’t mind. mkh is rf bias, all others are not. is that the problem? does audix for example picking up same rf interference? cellphones and wifi are everywhere, so it kinda worry me.

[Ty Ford]

The NTG-3 is ALSO an RF condenser.

that has noting to do with cellphones or other rf devices. It has to dose seem to make it less prone to moisture problems.

Good to be worried, because interference is increasing everywhere.

Start reading and learning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microphone

Regards,

Ty Ford

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[Craig Alan]

Having taken Ty’s advice a while back I have used all three:
the senn’s (I inherited from the guy who ran the studio I teach in before me);
the Schoeps; and the ATs.
The Schoeps I use when we are doing one production with a small group and it feels ultra disciplined. Best sound of the bunch but expensive. And I only have one. came in this wooden box like it was a collector’s item and I treat it that way. If you can afford it, get it.
The AT’s are my go-to hypers. Never disappoints. The Senns I use for beginners. Since what you discribe feels like somewhat trying circumstances, I’d go with the AT’s. They are small, solid build, easy to manage, a great deal for their price. As well as a wind fussy, get a high quality shock mount like RYCOTE INV-HG Lyre Shockmount (41118). And if interference is not a factor, I’d use a butt plug transmitter on the mike. Now you have a very discrete small form factor that might be less threatening than a long shot gun and xlr cord. Ty is correct that 2 feet is way better than 3 because the mike is sensitive and will pick up all sorts of background noise; but the closer to your subject, the more the voice of your subject dominates. The sound quality is very good, Another factor is how well the mike is aimed at the subject. Wear headphones and have the boom pole operator wear headphones and their own headphone amp. Not sure how 2 feet is a threat but 3 feet is ok?

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[Ty Ford]

Craig,

Thanks for your support.:)

And not any junk headphones, get Sony MDR7506 or ATH-M50. Note: Both Sony and AT make lesser headphones at cheaper prices. Don’t go there or you will miss hearing something that may end up on your time line.

Regards,

Ty Ford
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[Craig Alan]

I have the Sony’s and if I were to buy today I’d get the ATH-M50S That’s S for straight cable. I hate the coiled cable. Doesn’t store well and gets tangled with anything it touches. And the coil over time gets less tight defeating the only advantage it has. My only other gripe with the Sony’s is the ear pads are a bit too small for my head. But what you hear is what you get. Many phones sound better because they sweeten the sound. Not what you want for monitoring.

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[Oleg Zinkovetsky]

thanx a lot.
i heard at has a lot of handling noise problems.
next week i gonna rent this one and audix to check and compare.