Sennheiser 416 Indoor advice

[Jim Bruce]

Hi Jim,

Thanks so much for your helpful response. The positioning of the boom that you describe is roughly what I had imagined. I’m guessing about 12 inches in front of (and above) talent and angled steeply, but not 100% vertically down (so they don’t go off mic if they lean forward a bit).

Does that sound about right to you?

I’d also love to get a recommendation on the best particular device to attach the boom to a C stand.

I’ve seen the Boom Mate which looks a bit flimsy – https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/469811-REG/BoomMate__Boompole_Holder_and_Grip.html

and two kinds of boom “cradles”:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/292924-REG/K_Tek_K_BC_K_BC_Boom_Pole_Cradle.html

and

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/329191-REG/ATS_RAM_BPC_BOOMPOLE_CRADLE_Boompole.html

Do you have a preference? Something else that you like?

Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

I’m on this board because I do know how important sound is. I just don’t have the funding to buy as many microphones as some folks would like me to.

Glad to hear you think the 416 should be able to pull this off.

Thanks for your advice,

Jim

[Ty Ford]

JIm,

Gotta say, for interiors, unless you have the space blanketed, a 416 is not a good choice over a cmc641.

The 416 is directional at high frequencies, but very non-directional at mids and lows. As such as the liveness of the spa e increases, you get more and more wall bounce.

That doesn’t happen with a cmc641.

Regards,

Ty Ford

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[Jim Bruce]

Hi Ty,

Thanks for chiming in. We actually will be using a solid backdrop and blanketing all windows (for lighting purposes) which should really help.

I realize this is frustrating for some folks but for me the cost of both a 416 and the Schoeps is simply not in the cards for us. And we already need the 416 for exteriors where the Schoeps would not be useful. Trust me I wish I had a bigger sound budget! And of course if we run into problems we’ll have the ECM 77B as a backup. If we do seem to get terrible sound with the 416 I will probably sell one of my small children to a nice family and buy the Schoeps but out of the gate it’s just not in our budget.

While you’re here I’d love to get your take on a good boom clamp of some kind for mounting boom to C stand.

Any thoughts on ideal positioning of same would be great as well.

Thanks,

Jim

[Ty Ford]

[Jim Bruce] “Thanks for chiming in. We actually will be using a solid backdrop and blanketing all windows (for lighting purposes) which should really help.

> add some rugs and drape some fabric over c-stand arms just out of frame. That’ll knock down some more slap.

I realize this is frustrating for some folks but for me the cost of both a 416 and the Schoeps is simply not in the cards for us. And we already need the 416 for exteriors where the Schoeps would not be useful. Trust me I wish I had a bigger sound budget! And of course if we run into problems we’ll have the ECM 77B as a backup. If we do seem to get terrible sound with the 416 I will probably sell one of my small children to a nice family and buy the Schoeps but out of the gate it’s just not in our budget.

> a cmc641 is fine outside. I use mine all the time.

While you’re here I’d love to get your take on a good boom clamp of some kind for mounting boom to C stand.

>C-stand, knuckle, fishing rod bracket from fishing hardware store.

>https://idisk.mac.com/tyreeford-Public/Video/Ty’s%20Boom.mov

>put the mic where it sounds good! 🙂

Regards,

Ty Ford

Any thoughts on ideal positioning of same would be great as well”

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[Jim Bruce]

Thanks Ty!

[Borys Kucherenko]

Hi Jim,
can you email prices for miks you mentioned about?
Thanks,
Borys K.
bkucherenko@newsco.ca

[Greg Curda]

Hi Jim,

I’d love to see a list, too, if it’s not too much trouble…

Thanks,

Greg

greg@gefhgroup.com

[Paul Hurt]

Hi Jim, without meaning to pull this thread off-topic, I’m looking for a pair of 816s… If you still have them, can you message me somehow?

I agree with the approach suggested. I also find that if you can get in fairly tight with a mic, then it’s a close-run thing between a good short shotgun and a good hypercardioid… Usually coming down on the side of the hyper. I find that the tone is more natural.

For me, the shotgun starts to win out when the distance to the mic goes over perhaps three or four feet, or when there’s ambient noise that I need to overcome.