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Selecting all clips after click point.
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“That’s very awkward. That’s fine if the next clip is added within the already existing secondary storyline or you’re willing to add a long gap to get to the point where you want to add the next clip.”
It’s really not that awkward as it sounds. It’s a very common technique I use when working with B-roll. It’s very much the way I worked in legacy FCP. I built the A-roll bed on V and then added B-roll to V2. Here I build the bed on the primary storyline, and then add the B-roll to the additional storyline. It’s very fluid and keeps everything in sync. This is exactly the way we used to build film reels, two or three rolls built with spacers in between, except now the computer makes the duration calculations for the filler instantly. It’s exactly the way we built sound tracks, pieces of mag film separated by slash.
All the best,
Tom
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[Tom Wolsky] “It’s a very common technique I use when working with B-roll.”
Yes I agree. I use it all the time.
What I find awkward is the need to use my mouse to set the range in the secondary timeline. I can’t get any accuracy unless I zoom way in. Of course I could slap down a clip and trim it later, but that can be awkward.
Or have you found a way to use the keyboard to set an in and out on the secondary timeline?
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“After I set my points, I can hit the Q key to make a new connected clip, the hit P and drag the connected clip into the secondary storyline. #awkward”
You don’t have to do that. If you select the secondary storyline you can edit directly into it. You can insert into it, you can append to it, you overwrite into it.
The only difference from legacy FCP is that when you insert into a secondary storyline it does not cut the primary storyline. An insert is to the storyline. The primary is untouched. If you want to open up the primary, simply insert a gap into it and make it however long you want.
All the best,
Tom
Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP7,” “Basic Training for FCS” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
Coming in 2011 “Complete Training for FCPX” from Class on Demand
“Final Cut Pro X for iMovie and Final Cut Express Users” from Focal Press -
With the range tool active you can skim it to a specific frame and press I to add a selection to the secondary storyline, skim to the out and press O. It is almost like dragging.
This does need work. If a secondary storyline is selected then I and O should automatically be added to it an not selected on the primary. It’s really simple and not sure why it wasn’t implemented from the start.
All the best,
Tom
Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP7,” “Basic Training for FCS” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
Coming in 2011 “Complete Training for FCPX” from Class on Demand
“Final Cut Pro X for iMovie and Final Cut Express Users” from Focal Press -
Again, I was referring to the ability to use the I and O key to set edit points to the secondary storyline.
It seems to me that if I have selected the secondary storyline, I should be able to JKL to my edit points and then I and O. FCX selects the clip in the primary storyline.
This is why I try to do as much editing on the primary timeline.
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FCX. She tempts me, abuses me, beats me up, makes me feel worthless, then in the end she comes around, helps me get my work done, gives me hope and I can’t stop thinking about her.Mark Morache
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[Tom Wolsky] “Here I build the bed on the primary storyline, and then add the B-roll to the additional storyline.”
Fine if you don’t need many transitions between B-roll shots. Then you can just select a those clips and make them secondary storylines. Sometimes I may need to do enough transitions where it would be easier to make the entire row a secondary storyline. I’d like to be able to toggle that behavior (secondary storyline for an entire row) on. Another example is where I may need to a lot of roll edits between B-roll.
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[Mark Morache] “Again, I was referring to the ability to use the I and O key to set edit points to the secondary storyline.”
Maybe you should clarify. You can select a secondary storyline and do an Insert (w) or Overwrite (d) for example.
But if you want to do a three point edit where you need to mark an In and Out on the secondary storyline you can’t with the I and O keys. They’ll always mark the clips in the primary storyline. You’d need to use the Range tool to mark In and Out on the secondary storyline. That means you can’t use JKL and then simply mark In. You have to drag the Range In and Out with the mouse and zoom in if you need accuracy too.
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“Fine if you don’t need many transitions between B-roll shots.”
Why? You can add transitions directly to the B-roll shots in the secondary. You can insert as much as you like into a secondary, everything on the storyline just ripple right along.
All the best,
Tom
Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP7,” “Basic Training for FCS” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
Coming in 2011 “Complete Training for FCPX” from Class on Demand
“Final Cut Pro X for iMovie and Final Cut Express Users” from Focal Press -
[Tom Wolsky] “You can insert as much as you like into a secondary, everything on the storyline just ripple right along.”
After you make the connected clips a secondary storyline. That’s my point. If that’s my goal for a specific project I want the row to start as a secondary storyline even while the clips are placed in different locations.
Again the issue is clips that are initially placed in disparate places. They are placed as Connected Clips. At some point you must make them a secondary storyline. I simply want them to default as secondary storyline rather than have to select all the clips and hit Command G. I want its behavior to be the same as the Primary Storyline as an option.
There is no “secondary” until you make it. If that’s my goal I’d rather it default that way rather (secondary storyline) if my workflow starts will placing disparate clips (which are connected clips until they are made part of a storyline).
If clips are initially far apart or if there’s a large number of connected clips, having to select them all is awkward.
In the primary storyline if you put a clip at the head and then put a clip at the 1 minute point, a gap is inserted. In some circumstances I want the row above to behave the same way initially.
In the row above the primary, if I make the first clip a secondary storyline and place a second clip later, that second clip is a connected clip. I do not want to have to insert a gap to extend the secondary storyline. I want it to behave like the primary storyline and add the gap automatically.
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[Craig Seeman] ”
There is no “secondary” until you make it.”I just had an idea Craig. I think it would answer both of our issues. What if we could lock the primary storyline? After that, any editing we would do would take place in a secondary storyline? Then my ins and outs won’t happen in the primary. We can drop b-roll to our hearts content, and it will all happen above the primary.
It’s interesting that there is no locking function in FCX. This could be a good reason to add it.
I’ll submit it to feedback.
Bottom line for me- in FCP, it always seemed like whatever I needed, someone already thought about and there was some cool workflow to make it happen, usually two or three. I thought it was brilliant. It does everything and more.
In FCX, I am constantly surprised and befuddled by a strange workflow because the interface doesn’t act like I would expect it to. It doesn’t do everything, and frequently does it with less.
I wonder if we’re holding our breath for the end of summer, which would give Apple until Thursday to get in under the deadline.
I honestly wouldn’t mind if they took a little longer and knocked our socks off, but not without saying something.
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FCX. She tempts me, abuses me, beats me up, makes me feel worthless, then in the end she comes around, helps me get my work done, gives me hope and I can’t stop thinking about her.Mark Morache
Avid/Xpri/FCP7/FCX
Evening Magazine,Seattle, WA
https://fcpx.wordpress.com
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