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Rotoscoping Programs?
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oh, I thought it was free…. what is the cheapest way to get Mocha by itself? (I don’t have After Effects.)
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You really need a compositing type of program like AE to really take advantage of Mocha. If you have something similar to AE then you can buy Mocha here.
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If you don’t already have After Effects, and therefore don’t have Mocha already, and you are looking to buy a dedicated package for roto I would really suggest Silhouette. The tools for detailed roto are the best I’ve used. I’ve worked at Framestore and MPC and they both use Silhouette as their main roto package.
Admittedly I learned to roto in Silhouette, so I’ve always stuck to it and found roto in Mocha frustrating in comparison. I’m sure if I spent some time learning Mocha I could get used to it. The planar tracking is much better in Mocha.
I’ve written some roto tip on my blog, they are based on my experience in Silhouette but apply to all roto apps: https://conradolson.com/my-top-10-roto-tips
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[Conrad Olson] “If you don’t already have After Effects, and therefore don’t have Mocha already, and you are looking to buy a dedicated package for roto I would really suggest Silhouette. The tools for detailed roto are the best I’ve used.”
Conrad, what are the big differentiators for Silhouette? It seems to come up in every serious discussion of roto, but I’ve never seen it in action, and I’d be curious to learn what it does best.
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Just to put these comments in context; I have never done any really heavy roto in Mocha so I am mainly comparing Silhouette with Nuke. The Foundry is constantly improving the roto tools in Nuke and I haven’t tried the new tools in the recent update Nuke 7.
Also, I never had to do any serious roto in the jobs that I used After Effects for so I can’t really compare the two, but from what I remember of the roto tools in AE I wouldn’t want to do much in there.
Silhouette is designed purely for roto and painting. This means that the interface, keyboard shortcuts and performance are dedicated to just that. Once you learn all the keyboard shortcuts (there aren’t that many) it is much fast to work with than Nuke.
The snappy playback and various display modes (also with keyboard shortcuts) also makes it much faster to move through the frames and check your work as you go, which means it is much easier to spot and address boiling or jittery edges as you work.
My favorite tools though are the transform tools. These allow you to skew/scale/rotate whole shapes, or a selection of points. This helps you keep the points consistent relative to each other, which in turn speeds up the work and reduces boiling. There are tools like this in Nuke but the way they work in Silhouette are just better and faster, the skew tool especially.
The combination of the nested layers and the point tracking in Silhouette allows you to use tracking to speed up your work. They do have planar tracking too but the last time I tried to use it (which was a while ago now) it was useless. Apparently the latest version has improved the planar tracking. Again, Nuke has nested layers and allows you to apply tracking, but it isn’t as fast.
The frame-by-frame painting is unmatched.
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Except for the planar tracking it almost sounds like Commotion – that was an awesome roto and paint package years ago. Too bad Puffin Designs got bought out and Pinnacle made a mess out of it.
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To add to this thread, mocha v3 adds some features requested by roto artists:
transform tool to rotate, scale & skew points, shapes or groups
more shortcuts (nudge, diagonal nudge)
multi-select, group & fold layers
color code splines & fills
improved keyframe interface (dopesheet).Hope this helps. So, mocha AE v3 which has some of the advanced roto features is an affordable upgrade from the bundled mocha AE v3.
View Chart: https://www.imagineersystems.com/compare-productsBest,
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[Tudor "Ted" Jelescu] “Except for the planar tracking it almost sounds like Commotion – that was an awesome roto and paint package years ago. Too bad Puffin Designs got bought out and Pinnacle made a mess out of it.”
I started at Framestore not long after they had phased out Commotion so I never got to use it. There were a few of the more senior members of the paint and roto team that would talk about it fondly.
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