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Resolve 11 What is your plan?
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At this point I have not heard anything along those lines. It might be a possibility, after all Adobe is know for its tight integration with “Dynamic Link”. I have never used Speed Grade personally, it looks like a solid piece of software.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “hi, stupid question david – do you know anyone shifted from fcp to ppro at all thinking about, or talking about employing speedgrade for internal production house finishing for certain kinds of stuff?”
As you know Aindreas, there are NO stupid questions… 🙂
I do indeed have some customers who have switched to ppro who are using Speedgrade for color correction and grading. Not a lot really, but that’s simply because Resolve lite is free, and many who are committed to learning a new tool would simply prefer to use the tool considered my most to be either the “state of the art,” or the most widely used by professionals in their market space.
David Roth Weiss
ProMax Systems
Burbank
DRW@ProMax.comSales | Integration | Support
David is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.
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I guessed I dreamed up hearing online editing. Perhaps that was from watching a video. Bins, tracks, plug-in support, and very nice trim tools makes me think it could be used an online situation. Will have to wait and see. This news makes me more and more optimistic about where things are headed.
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I’m with David. We can try to divine BMD’s grand plans all we want, but right now it looks like Resolve is gonna be an awesome finishing tool.
Yes, you can edit with it, and possibly quite well. I don’t know how Apple feels about the UI uh… similarities to X, but it looks to me like I can import my X projects and maybe learn some color correction in a familiar workspace, fine tune cuts etc. But honestly, it could copy or surpass pretty much everything about X and I’d still prefer the latter. I like the way key framing seems to work in Resolve 11. The dynamic trimming and related stuff looks cool too. But there’s a lot more to how X works than those things.
The deciding factor for me is the one, very important thing that Resolve has which X does not. Tracks.
And tracks suck. 🙂————————————————————-
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[Tim Wilson] “That’s what it says at the top of the Resolve 11 product page. Nothing about online. In fact, that word isn’t anywhere on the page.”
* Edit *
I did go back to the Black Magic Design website. On the main page I clicked on the circle with a 2 in it. Right there it did mention online editing. I did not dream this up after all.
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It should also be noted that Resolve is not dependant on Mac hardware. This forum is pretty Mac hardware centric but for many like me who has gone back to PC to get PCIe slots, real grunt and lots of NVIDIA goodness, I am liking the finishing idea in Resolve a lot. Saves bouncing files onto slower externals to move back to a different machine.
I also like the idea of having multiple versions being made on the delivery page as the grades are being rendered. I think what many have overlooked is having to setup and make DCP, web files, bluray and DVD versions after creating a master file, after transfering and finishing in Pr, or FCP. I spend a lot of time waiting for things to render, then xml bounce and then output final render and then setup media encoder to do the rest. This is big being able to grade/ finish in one timeline and then do ALL versions in one delivery page. I also still have to go to HDCam/ digibeta from time to time. Again it all happens in the one place with Resolve 11.
For small projects I will try the complete edit/ finish but I am not an editor and my projects are usually simple music vid or short docos.
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One more thing to note is that Resolve 11 is adding HQ/HQX support for Edius intermediate codecs plus Edius is adding AAF round tripping so da Vinci is also adding more NLEs to the round trip roster with this release
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[Charlie Austin] “The deciding factor for me is the one, very important thing that Resolve has which X does not. Tracks”
Yes.
11 looks really cool and if there was no X I would be on it
I like too much about X at this point.
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I’m going to amend my thoughts on Resolve 11 as only being a finishing editor. Resolve 11 is significantly ahead of Resolve 10 in the editing department. At the end of today, I went back and spent about half an hour with the demo artist going deeper into the editing features. It really is a strong editor and is the best blend of FCP 7 and FCP X that I’ve seen. This is the editor that (insert your NLE choice here) SHOULD have been. There are obvious gaps, like lack of multicam, but I believe this will get even stronger over time. It IS a serious editor, but of course, until R11 gets out in the wild, it will be unknown what the true performance is.
Naturally, with OpenFX plug-ins, it won’t have the type of DIY ecosystem enjoyed by FCP X thanks to Motion templates. That probably won’t change if they want to maintain easy cross-platform support. OTOH, BCC9 will support it and others are to come. I came away very impressed that you could actually work a project start-to-finish in R11. For the FCP X users, there’s a real solid synergy between FCP X and R11 going in both directions. For Symphony users, it’s utterly heart-breaking thinking that this is what users would pine for. A simple toggle flips you between edit and color modes.
As I was going through the demo, a DP who cuts his stuff on FCP 7 walked up. He damn near wet his pants when he realized he could move from FCP 7 to this for FREE. In his words, “… and I don’t have to pay @$#*! thirty bucks a month for it!” 😉
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[Oliver Peters] “I’m going to amend my thoughts on Resolve 11 as only being a finishing editor. “
You’re welcome. LOL
I appreciate you taking the time to get a full demo, and I’m glad to hear your observations.
[Charlie Austin] “I’m with David. We can try to divine BMD’s grand plans all we want.”
My point above is no, we don’t need to try to divine their grand plans. They TELL us, with one of the most elegant, carefully designed product pages I’ve ever seen. So, having spent all this time and money, what do they TELL us?
Before then, do note that, in a longer version of my previous post (and yes, I do edit my posts), I had in fact observed that in some of the teases, they did use the word online…so I didn’t mean to imply that it was your imagination, David…but on the product page, not at all.
So, what DOES it say on the actual, massive page?
I quoted you the opening earlier:
“…the world’s most amazing editor!”
“…now you can edit, color correct, finish and deliver all from one system!”
“…[everything] you need to manage your entire workflow.”
What I’m doing here is the opposite of Kremlinology. Kremlinology is trying to find the truth that people are being paid to hide. In this case, I’ve suggested that we listen to what people are paid to tell us. LOL
With the additional difference that the Kremlin has more to hide than to tell, while Blackmagic has more to tell than to hide. LOL
So I do in fact absolutely believe BMD when they say at the bottom of the page that they are the most compatible solution in the business. Who can argue that? They already are, and they’re getting aggressively MORE compatible. (Speed Razor? Really?)
But I also absolutely believe them when they say they want to create the world’s most amazing editor. Have they? Will they? That’s your call. But what are they TRYING to do? Exactly what they say. They’re not hedging their bets or mincing words. They’re out to make the world’s most amazing editor. Period.
Well, actually, the world’s most amazing editor. Exclamation point! LOL
Kidding aside, I think they’ve earned the benefit of the doubt from us, that they mean what they say until proven otherwise. And they are NOT limiting their plans to onlining and finishing.
No kidding. Read the page.
If you’re reading this and at the show, take the time for a deep dive like Oliver did and report back. 🙂
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