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Re-interlacing footage at the broadcasters request: normal or not?
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Thanks Jeremy. I’m sorry, but childish name calling on this forum is not acceptable, and this is the second contentious thread that has been hijacked by this troll. If this keeps happening on this forum, people won’t bother to come here. I also realise that a reaction is exactly what he is looking for, so I will bow out of the thread.
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[arc nevada] “Ben Holmes,
Boo Boo, I never said FCP causes a lose in quality. As others have stated, like myself , who actually know what they are talking about it depends on the method used. You even admit the video will look jerky for parts with fast motion using FCP. So FCP is not doing as good of job as a telecine would with a Goerge Lucas Film.
Boo Boo, I never said progressive is not acceptable format. Can you read English? If the station demands PAL are you going to shot in NTSC and then converter the footage using FCP? NTSC, PAL and progressive all have their place.”
Reducing an argument to childish name calling does absolutely nothing for the Creative Cow or for your credibility.
Ben Holmes has been participating on these forums for quite some time and he has been a huge help to those in the community. He and I don’t agree on everything, but who does?
If you are a professional adult, we fully expect you to act like one at all times on the Cow.
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I understand, Ben. You give a lot of your time here and I agree with you. Sometimes it’s best to just take the high road. Please contact me offlist editstation at geemail dot com. And that’s not how you spell geemail by the way.
Jeremy
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walter biscardi,
You are saying it is OK for Ben Holmes to call me a troll? I would like proof of this. What thread have I high jacked? I am sorry if I don’t find Ben Holmes to a be a video guru like many of you in these forums. I think Ben was the first one to make personal attacks on this thread. I don’t care who he is. He should read things a little better rather than make assumptions. I thought calling him Boo Boo was a nice way to show him that he made a few mistakes or assumptions when reading my post. Whos fault is that? Walter are you trying to tell me Ben Holmes is a saint? I think Ben got his feathers ruffled because he knows it is not wise to shot in progressive mode if the station requires interlaced. Rather than accept the obvious he opted to but heads with me. Is that wise?
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Maybe this can help in a simple way.
Progressive is one complete picture.
Interlace is one complete picture broken down into two parts.There is a slight loss of information in an interlace. (This is due to the “flyback of the scanning beam)
Interlace is a method that was developed to accommodate cathode ray tube technology.
If you shoot progressive, edit it in progressive, output it the way that is required.
If you are worried about your pictures looking right, don’t worry, progressive will maintain it’s “film look” when it is interlaced for delivery.
If you are worried about your show looking the way you designed it. Please put bars and tone and a slate at the beginning, once it is set up at the broadcast facility it will play back as designed.
The importance of “24P Film look” is basically a marketing item for video cameras. Movies are projected at 24p. (The also have a shutter on the projector to stop flicker. Essentially “interlacing” ) They are rarely shot completely in 24P. Do not get caught in this “cool” trap. Use the frame rates that give you the best picture for the situation.
Final Cut will produce it right, but what you see on the timeline is not necessarily what happens in the end because of the way FCP works. If you are in doubt. Export a small section and look at it in full res. Then convert it to your end medium and watch it.
A lot of old school folks (some engineers) do not understand digital as well as analogue.
Some of the digital folks do not understand analogue TV.
Digital is not less than analogue anymore, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.Look at it on a scope (Yes use the scopes “Luke”…let the scopes be with you!)
Make your decisions from there.
Always produce with your audience, end product and delivery in mind.
Tracy Smith
Black Hawk Entertainment
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