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  • Tony West

    May 29, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Liam, I can only tell you how “I” got around the in out frustration.

    I think what threw me off was muscle memory from legacy.

    Before, you had to do more clicking and dragging with the playhead needle, to get around clips and timeline.

    Now you have the skimmer, so you don’t have to click on the source to see it.

    Once I set my I and O it stays there, unless I click on the source clip or another source clip.

    My mm was to “click” on the source clip to look at it again or to adjust the i and o but as you know, that makes the i and o go away.

    So I just don’t do that and it doesn’t go away.

    It took me a while to get out of the habit of clicking to adjust the source i and o instead of grabbing the
    i and o handles like they want you to, but once I got that down pat I never think about it.

    You could hit f like some have suggested but that’s an extra step that depending on how fast I need to go I might not take. I love the hitting f when I need it, I like that it’s there.

    As I edit, most of the time I don’t hit f and I don’t worry about my I and o going away because I know what it takes to make it go away and I simply don’t do that.

    Many people have the skimmer turned off because they don’t like it. If you turn it off that makes you have to click, and that makes it harder to do what I talked about.

    I don’t know if this will help anybody out there but it sure helped me.

  • Bill Davis

    May 29, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    [Liam Hall] “It’s funny how evangelists like you and Bill can only see things from your own perspective and assume the rest of us are stupid. Funny, but rather sad too…”

    Poppycock.

    I read what you wrote. I asked polite questions intended to uncover your concerns and address the issues you brought up.

    I was respectful and polite about everything you wrote indicating how I saw things differently, but not saying a word about you – until you devolved into what I felt was an insupportably snarky attack on Mr. Ubillos’s competency as a programmer. And even in doing that, I cited the reasoning I used to form my opinion.

    But here you go again, resorting to personal attacks and deeming those of us in disagreement as “sad.”

    Not to tax your ability to reason too much, but EVERYONE on the planet sees things from their own perspective. It’s the only one any of us have.

    And if I’d “assumed you were stupid” I wouldn’t have wasted my time responding to your post point by point.

    At the base, I agree with Jeremy.

    If you have something to say about the software – say it.

    To the extent you feel compelled to continue as above with overt attacks on the people here – I’d politely advise you to put a sock in it. This board is not about who’s “likable” or not. (If that’s a persons primary focus, they have a zillion hours of reality TV to wallow in that covers that ground relentlessly)

    This is a place where people come to debate whether a particular piece of software can help them get their work done – and I’m not getting a sense that you can argue those merits very comfortably since you keep diverting your posts away from facts and features and into personality issues.

    And finally, not sad at all. Quite happy. I have great new software to explore that’s making my editing life easier. So I’m struggle free and good to go. You – apparently not so much.

    “Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor

  • Jeremy Garchow

    May 29, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    [Liam Hall] “. More importantly if they want to change peoples’ perception about FCPX and be taken seriously again, they need improve their communication with pro users. I think we can all agree on that…”

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Who’s perception do they need to change and why?

    As far as communication, yeah, it hasnt happened for the last 10 years from Apple, I can’t imagine it getting much better.

    Although, since the release of X, Apple has stated clear intentions, and delivered on them, even though we had no idea fcs3 would be EOLd. That was an unfortunate side effect that won’t matter in another year or less.

    Jeremy

  • Herb Sevush

    May 29, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    [Jeremy Garchow] “even though we had no idea fcs3 would be EOLd. That was an unfortunate side effect that won’t matter in another year or less. “

    Maybe not to you. It will always matter to me.

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions
    —————————
    nothin’ attached to nothin’
    “Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

  • Craig Seeman

    May 29, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    When you say the timeline isn’t conducive for complex editing and Event and Projects is ill conceived that shows a lack of understanding.

    Maybe you have a definition of “complex” you assume is common. You should define and substantiate your position.

    There’s nothing at all ill conceived about Events and Projects. Whatever shortcoming you don’t mention, it’s easy to prove its greater flexibility as I have done.

    I responded with explanations. You’ve made generalizations.

  • Liam Hall

    May 29, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    [Bill Davis] “Poppycock.

    I read what you wrote. I asked polite questions intended to uncover your concerns and address the issues you brought up.

    I was respectful and polite about everything you wrote indicating how I saw things differently, but not saying a word about you – until you devolved into what I felt was an insupportably snarky attack on Mr. Ubillos’s competency as a programmer. And even in doing that, I cited the reasoning I used to form my opinion.

    But here you go again, resorting to personal attacks and deeming those of us in disagreement as “sad.”

    Not to tax your ability to reason too much, but EVERYONE on the planet sees things from their own perspective. It’s the only one any of us have.

    And if I’d “assumed you were stupid” I wouldn’t have wasted my time responding to your post point by point.

    At the base, I agree with Jeremy.

    If you have something to say about the software – say it.

    To the extent you feel compelled to continue as above with overt attacks on the people here – I’d politely advise you to put a sock in it. This board is not about who’s “likable” or not. (If that’s a persons primary focus, they have a zillion hours of reality TV to wallow in that covers that ground relentlessly)

    This is a place where people come to debate whether a particular piece of software can help them get their work done – and I’m not getting a sense that you can argue those merits very comfortably since you keep diverting your posts away from facts and features and into personality issues.

    And finally, not sad at all. Quite happy. I have great new software to explore that’s making my editing life easier. So I’m struggle free and good to go. You – apparently not so much.

    “Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor”

    Ease up there tiger. I’m not looking for a fight…

    The title of this thread is, “After a year has perception of FCPX changed?” I gave my opinion in reference to that question. My jury is still out. As I have said, there are bits I like, bits I don’t like, and a corporation I’ve lost some trust with.

    Now, play nicely.

    Liam Hall
    Director/DoP/Editor
    http://www.liamhall.net

  • Liam Hall

    May 29, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    [Jeremy Garchow] “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Who’s perception do they need to change and why?

    As far as communication, yeah, it hasnt happened for the last 10 years from Apple, I can’t imagine it getting much better.

    Although, since the release of X, Apple has stated clear intentions, and delivered on them, even though we had no idea fcs3 would be EOLd. That was an unfortunate side effect that won’t matter in another year or less.

    Jeremy”

    Who
    As you know, there is a growing suspicion among professionals that Apple no longer cares about them or their products – be them hardware or software. Indeed, many long term Apple customers have been purchasing PCs to do their editing, compositing and other work on for the first time in their careers.

    Why
    Apple claim professional users are important to them – they’ve said this many times in the last eighteen months. Of course, we are small beer in their global success story and we’re a PITA to boot but I’ll take them at their word.

    I do see a change in their communications strategy lately, but they need to step it up and some if they are to win back the respect they held a couple of short years ago.

    Liam Hall
    Director/DoP/Editor
    http://www.liamhall.net

  • Craig Seeman

    May 29, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    [Herb Sevush] “Maybe not to you. It will always matter to me.”

    One person does not make a market. People who move to FCPX as their first NLE and people who make judgements based on ROI in their business may not weigh FCP legacy’s demise very heavily. Just as people may not weigh what Avid nearly did over 10 years ago nor Adobe’s choice not to enter the Apple market for some time after previously supporting it or Discreet/Autodesk killing Edit.

    The A companies all have a history of decisions that concerned editors and facilities. As time goes on the market passes that by.

  • Liam Hall

    May 29, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    [Craig Seeman] “When you say the timeline isn’t conducive for complex editing and Event and Projects is ill conceived that shows a lack of understanding.

    Maybe you have a definition of “complex” you assume is common. You should define and substantiate your position.

    There’s nothing at all ill conceived about Events and Projects. Whatever shortcoming you don’t mention, it’s easy to prove its greater flexibility as I have done.

    I responded with explanations. You’ve made generalizations.”

    Sorry Craig, I’ve only got time for sweeping generalisations. I’ll try and write something detailed when I can – maybe start a new thread with it.

    Liam Hall
    Director/DoP/Editor
    http://www.liamhall.net

  • Richard Herd

    May 29, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    [Bill Davis] “wicked fast general cutting tool”

    Word.

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