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question about FCPX naming conventions
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Right- that’s probably the confusing part. A “Project” in FCP X is more like a Final Cut Pro 7 sequence. It is a single timeline. If you wanted to make another timeline you’d make another ‘project.’
What you’re used to calling a Project from FCP lives more in the Event Browser. Up there you can classify footage into Keyword collections- which are basically like bins except the clips know which bins they’re in instead of just plain folders.
Within an Event you can create Compound Clips- which for all intents and purposes act like mini timelines. They can be dragged from the Event window into a Project timeline.
So for example you could organize a project by placing all media into an event, classifying it into Keyword collections that accomplish the same task as FCP 7 bins. Then you could create a folder in your Event Browser into which you start creating Compound Clips- say one for each scene in your project.
Then you create a “Project” down in the Project browser area and drag your Compound Clips from the Event Browser down into that single Project timeline- giving you the same effect as multiple sequences from FCP 7.
It’s a lot of new terminology and workflow but once you get your head around it in and of itself and less trying to recreate the workflow from FCP 7 you’ll start to gain a lot of advantages. For example- you can easily place and reuse media from any previous project into another project. All media you’ve ever ingested can be accessed from any project. And because Keyword Collections tag the media you place into them- it’s a lot easier to find footage once you’ve done the initial organizational step.
In other words- you just need to try it out. And unlearn what you’ve learned as a famous someone once said.
-Noah
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“Then you could create a folder in your Event Browser into which you start creating Compound Clips- say one for each scene in your project.”
do you mean you can create the compound clips before you ever put anything on the timeline. How does that work?
“In other words- you just need to try it out.”
All of my work is multi-cam. I’m not going to try it out till it has multi-cam available (if and when). I’m just trying to understand it enough to figure out if it’s even worth waiting for.
Herb Sevush
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FCP7 Project and FCPX Project are not really related despite the fact that they are the same word.
in FCPX a Project contains Edit Decisions (Timeline).
In the Event Library there is Media which are contained in Collections (like bins).
Basically what was FCP7 “Project” has been split into a Media container and Timelines.
You can have as many Timelines (Projects) as you’d like. You can even open a lot of them (moving between them is awkward though).
Events can have multiple Projects.
While a Project must have a default Event association, Projects (Timelines) can actually use media from any Event.Hence the relational database concept.
It can be
One Event having Many Projects
and/or
One Project using Many Events
There’s no constraint. You build the relationships as you choose.BTW this is why I think it’s inevitable that this will get tied to a server product to manage this on a larger scale.
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David –
This is one of the things I was trying to discuss in this thread.
The only way it seems to make sense is in the way you laid it out – “What is the Event that you want to make your movie about? – your kids birthday, your trip to Spain, etc.” A very youtube way to think of video production.
The idea that a single Event is at the heart of the editing process is a strange one. It does seem like it relates to the story about the Imovie vacation video.
Herb Sevush
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But “Event” is in Broadcasting as well.
A TV Series Pilot, Movie Premiere, Awards or Live televised concert, etc., is often marketing as an “Event” (a big event). Of course all this marketing is to consumers as well. -
You can select a bunch of clips in the Browser and convert them either into a compound clip, where they are strung out like a sequence, or into an Audition, where they are grouped in a container where you can switch between the clips. For instance you can’t decide which of four clips to use. Select them in the browser and make them an Audition. Edit the Audition into the project and then switch between them to try them out in the sequence.
All the best,
Tom
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Generally the workflow is to put the media for a project in a single event. The event can act as an FCP7 project. It holds all the media for the project, whether it’s your scuba trip, your wedding, a corporate communications project, a documentary short, or a narrative feature. The event holds the media, the media gets broken into collections and smart collections and can be organized in folders. In FCP7 you could use sequences and bins to organize. In FCPX you can use multiple ways to organize including bins (folders) and sequences (compound clips).
All the best,
Tom
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Movie Premieres, Awards or Live televised concert are actual “events” – that is something that happens in one time and place. For that reason many of them are not edited at all, they are broadcast Live! – that’s what Live means.
In any event (watch the pun there) many productions are not “Events”, they are often temporally and geographically discontinuous. That’s why I keep asking about how FCPX deals with importing additional material over time.
Don’t you find it just a little odd to take an aspect of TV programming that is often not edited at all and make it the central organizing metaphor for an editing system?
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions -
Thanks again Tom, that’s what I was trying to understand.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions -
[Herb Sevush] “That’s why I keep asking about how FCPX deals with importing additional material over time.”
They can all go into one event. You can also merge events.
[Herb Sevush] “Don’t you find it just a little odd to take an aspect of TV programming that is often not edited at all and make it the central organizing metaphor for an editing system?”
Many such events are pre-recorded and edited for time . . . and of course many are not.
Yes, I do think Apple’s naming convention create confusion. Project is the best (or worst) example.I can think of better wording that would be easier to understand.
Media Collection, which contains the media and which such media is organized through Keyword Collections and Smart Collection.
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TimelineDump “Events” and “Projects” and have Media (and its organization) and Timelines. One wouldn’t need to learn Apple’s “Esperanto” to understand that.
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