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Prognostications on FCPX compared to OSX and iOS from Alex4D
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[Walter Soyka] ” I’ll appeal to Chris Harlan, forum line judge, if it’s in-bounds or not. 🙂
“Chris.
Run out and buy shin guards immediately.
(this appears to be a surprisingly dangerous job considering the Wimbeldon just past)
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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“Do they offer a File based option or would you need to add more software?”
Don’t know. System was spec’ed and installed by a reseller and that’s how they packaged it. I guess if you poke through Command Soft’s web site, it would say.
Oliver
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[Walter Soyka] “The local machine was a Premiere thin client, and the remote machine was the server actually responsible for all the media storage and realtime rendering and streaming.”
Avid has something like this in the works too, don’t they?
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[Walter Soyka] “Jeremy, I saw the demo. They were running an internal build of Premiere Pro, live on stage at NAB. To my mind, that makes the proposed feature closer to reality with Premiere than FCPX, where it has not yet been seen in a running application, but only hinted could be possible based on the architecture.”
I don’t know. We can go back and forth on this. FCPX has the real world capability, but not the server. It appears that Adobe solution has the server but not the real world capability. Who has the cart and who has the horse? I don’t know.
Here’s the quote: “The server basically showed up in PP’s media browser. The presenter simply dragged some clips from the server into a new Project. The clips didn’t transfer, they are simply pointers to the actual media which reside on the PP server that he logged into. ”
So with FCPX, if the Event is local, the only thing downloaded would be the small alias files. This type of function already exists in FCPX, but does not exist in Pr.
With a little more programming, the Event can remain on the server, and the Project is local. Once you’re done with it, it uploads that file to the server for all to see and share.
So while I know that it’s not there yet, I think that as it stands, right now, today, if I open an FCPX project and if I open a Pr project, I can see more potential in the FCPX side of things, especially when you consider I could create and download ProRes Proxy files right in the application for “off internet” editing. This can’t be done with Pr at all, right now, today.
And staying on topic of the original Alex4d post, Apple already does have a bit of a server infrastructure with iCloud. It’s not hard to see how this might transpire with a bit of effort. The only problem remains (for both companies) is how you get a metric crapton of camera original footage up to the cloud reliably and correctly. Maybe you don’t, maybe it’s all proxy footage. Again, advantage FCPX (today).
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[Andrew Richards] “Avid has something like this in the works too, don’t they?”
Yes — Avid Interplay Sphere [link].
It might even be shipping, but nobody here really seems to pay much attention at all to Avid.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Maybe you don’t, maybe it’s all proxy footage. Again, advantage FCPX (today).”
I have to admit as someone who’s currently working a lot with both full rez files (commercials) and Proxy files (my muiti-cam music video stuff) I often simply forget which mode i’m in.
Which speaks to the fact that however they did the proxy functions in X, it’s not like the old days when you could see a proxy file’s pixels a mile away.
Maybe if you commonly edit on some starship bridge array with oodles of screen real estate the proxy deal could be a problem? But on my 30″ cinema display, Proxy editing is indistinguishable from ProRes editing – at least visually.
YMMV.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I don’t know. We can go back and forth on this. FCPX has the real world capability, but not the server. It appears that Adobe solution has the server but not the real world capability. Who has the cart and who has the horse? I don’t know.”
Fair, but…
[Jeremy Garchow] “With a little more programming…”
Apple needs a little more programming, and Adobe just needs a little more shipping. 🙂
I am not guaranteeing that Adobe will beat Apple to market with this. All I’m saying is we have concrete evidence that Adobe has done work on collaborative editing, while we only have the architectural possibility that Apple’s foundation may someday support collaborative editing.
I’m with you that all the ingredients seem to be there. I’m not 100% convinced that Apple will have the will to go collaborative, as I’d see that as a huge reversal of focus-on-the-individual trend that so many here have noted, but it would certainly be useful and it certainly could happen.
[Jeremy Garchow] ” Apple already does have a bit of a server infrastructure with iCloud. It’s not hard to see how this might transpire with a bit of effort. The only problem remains (for both companies) is how you get a metric crapton of camera original footage up to the cloud reliably and correctly. Maybe you don’t, maybe it’s all proxy footage. Again, advantage FCPX (today).”
Not necessarily. Adobe’s concept was network-based, but that’s not the same as cloud-based. There is nothing today in Creative Cloud for purchasing computer time; it’s possible that the Premiere server could just run in your own office — maybe even on your own desktop.
And really, as Andrew pointed out, Avid is further out on this than both Adobe and Apple with Interplay Sphere, scheduled to ship Q3 this year.
For the sake of completeness, Quantel has QTube which I think is in the market today.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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[Walter Soyka] “Not necessarily. Adobe’s concept was network-based, but that’s not the same as cloud-based.”
I see. I thought in Kevin’s article it said the other editor was in Seattle.
I guess then it could be your own “private cloud” if one owns the server storage, but then you’d have to worry about the network running out of your studio. I don’t know. Seems harder than a (Creative) Cloud based service.
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[Bill Davis] “Speculation is our only tool.”
I love speculation — especially if developers are reading these boards, trolling for feature requests.
I just think that speculation should come after released products, feature commitments [link], and concept demos, in that order.
We risk great disappointment when we look at Apple’s assets and base assumptions on the direction they will choose to take with them. Apple likes to surprise.
Further, I think that speculating only about FCPX’s future while tacitly assuming static competition is myopic and gives no credit to other NLE developers.
Premiere Pro’s hardware-assisted, dynamic linking NLE with a Prelude front end, Media Encoder backend and honey-badger timeline practically came out of nowhere to catch FCP Legend users’ eyes.
Smoke 2013 didn’t just tweak the UI in the new release, they actually rethought the classic Smoke editing and effects workflow, hiding the Edit Desk and making the timeline the central point for effects interaction, adding new features, and lowering the price point enough to be accessible to individuals.
Even stodgy old Avid, though keeping the feel of the interface, has gone 64-bit, added linked media support, and allowed tactile mouse interaction in recent years — and, as Andrew has reminded me, led in cloud editorial.
None of the 4 As are stopping, and every one of them has a thing or two to learn from the other three.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I see. I thought in Kevin’s article it said the other editor was in Seattle.”
He was. The server was in San Jose, one client was in Seattle, and the other client was on the show floor at NAB.
[Jeremy Garchow] “I guess then it could be your own “private cloud” if one owns the server storage, but then you’d have to worry about the network running out of your studio. I don’t know. Seems harder than a (Creative) Cloud based service.”
Yup. I have no idea whether this ran over a VPN or if the protocol itself is somehow secured to allow this.
Either way, unless they have some Skype-like magic, some assembly may be required.
That said, I run a VPN out of my office so I can securely connect to my workstations and render garden from anywhere in the world. It works, and it’s secure. It may take some networking expertise to set up, but I’d gladly do this or pay to have it done for private cloud editorial.
But we have veered off-topic, and to bring this back, with SAN support already included, the opportunities for local collaboration in FCPX could be immediate.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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