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Premiere’s Automagical Timeline
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[Jeff Markgraf] ”
The Premiere process of putting a clip into the timeline without regard for track patching that you are describing is similar to FCPX in its end result, although rather different in how it accomplishes that result.”Agreed.
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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One half-second action to move the connection point pre insert is hardly a burden Oliver.
And nobody has ever claimed that ANY NLE is useful if the operator isn’t reasonably familiar with how to operate it.
; )
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[Simon Ubsdell] ”
I’m not talking about insert editing. Overlay is quite different – see above.”Oops. Forgot the other NLEs don’t really have connected storylines they can use to execute inserts that also overlay.
I’m also on another board right now with some traditionally oriented editors re-litigating the the Hory old debate about X naming conventions “why the “@&$ do they call a Project a Library!!!”
I keep forgetting that most experienced editors often have the hardest time with the mental shifts in this stuff. Not always, of course. But more often than I ever expected!
Oh well.
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[Jeff Markgraf] “le sigh… Here we go again.”
As for this …
I fervently hope that you and your lusty Sancho Panza prevail against the imaginary assailant against whom you are so quixotically tilting.
He sounds like a very stupid person indeed, incapable of sense and worthy only of your loftiest condescension.
(Cervantes was right. While patently risible, there is something tragically poetic about the heroic effort to combat a foe conjured out of the thinnest of air and existing only in the obsessed and fevered mind.)
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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[Bill Davis] “One half-second action to move the connection point pre insert is hardly a burden Oliver. “
So why is it not a burden in FCPX, but somehow it is when an equivalent action is required in a different NLE? And BTW, moving the connection point doesn’t fix the example I described.
The point is whether or not the magnetic timeline makes FCPX more efficient than other NLEs. I think that’s entirely dependent on the actions you need to perform. In some cases, yes, and dramatically so. In other cases, not so much. Whether or not that’s a wash at the end of the production depends on what you are editing.
In the end, the journey is really just a personal one.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Simon Ubsdell] “One of the most talked about features of FCP X is that fact that you can throw anything at a timeline without worrying about tracks and patching and the rest of the hassle that comes with “conventional” NLEs.”
While it may be talked about often, amongst heavy users adding clips INTO the timeline is not the feature that makes editing in the FCP X timeline more efficient. So largely I think this is an irrelevant discussion. And besides the fact, the real question is what happens to the clips in other tracks that span the edit point you are dropping the new clip into.
The features of the FCP X timeline that are true time-savers are: audio connected to video, elimination of track collisions, MOVING clips in the timeline once they are already there, secondary storylines that don’t change regardless of what you do in the primary (this makes editing music much, much easier).
And this ignores what many of us realize is the real productivity boost in FCP X – the browser. The combination of favoriting, skimming, keywords, and filmstrip views are simply without peer in the NLE world.
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Brett Sherman
One Man Band (If it\’s video related I\’ll do it!)
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[Oliver Peters] “The point is whether or not the magnetic timeline makes FCPX more efficient than other NLEs. I think that’s entirely dependent on the actions you need to perform. “
It can be, but it also depends on “how” you go about doing something.
I see people do things inefficiently in X and then say “X is inefficient”. There are often 3 or 4 ways to do the same thing in X.
I don’t set myself up to fail in that timeline, so I work very efficiently.
Bottom line, once X added Lanes it was game over for me. That timeline now has the best of both worlds.
The only “advantage” tracks had was organization, and now that’s gone.
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THIS (from Brett above) nails it.
It’s never just a single command or action in X that removes so much friction in editing, it’s how the system cohesively acts to drive efficiency across the entire process.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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[Oliver Peters] “In the end, the journey is really just a personal one.”
Yep.
Two people drive through the desert.
One grumbles the entire time because they expect “beautiful scenery” to be green and lush full of trees.
The other finds exquisite beauty in the desert vistas and appreciates a different type of Majesty.
The landscape remains the same.
All that changes is the ability of the person viewing it to appreciate it.
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Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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Brett, I couldn’t agree more. I am also finding the roles and lanes are a great improvement, when it comes time to edit or do a poor man’s mix of the audio. Of course this can be done in other apps, but its addition to X is a big improvement for me.
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