Premiere or FCPX, still hating FCPX’s timeline behaviour

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Tony Corapi] “So if if you have 2 connected clips A and B, if you want to extend the end point of clip A, clip B jumps up vertically in exact opposite direction I want it to go because now I have to move it right or edit the in point of B back to see the new end point of A.”

This is exactly a case for secondary storylines.

You can even j/l cut audio just like the primary, or use trim modes just like the primary.

Hold g, kiss the edge of one connected clip to the edge of the another connected clip, and a secondary is created instantly, select the trim point with mouse, use bracket and forward slash to select the side you’d like to move, and trim using the comma and period, or skim and shift-x to extend, etc.

It is true, the FCPX needs better navigation between the “levels” when not using the mouse. Smoke does this remarkably well.

[Lance Bachelder]

Yeah I kinda agree – for all I like and even love about FCPX, the interface, beautiful “live” waveforms, superfast color controls, great scopes… it’s actually editing that’s the worst feature of all lol. I’m not sure it’s a software companies job to disregard their entire user base and basically tell them sorry, we’ve been screwing up the last 12 years, but we’ve got it right now and we’re gonna tell Editor’s how to edit the right way.

I do think Premiere CC is the first FCP7 worthy successor – I’ve been cutting on it daily since the June release and though it still has some shortcomings, I really like it. Do I wish Apple would have just would have made FCP 8 a fast 64 bit version of 7, heck yeah, but they didn’t, so Premiere CC is second best thing I’ve found. And now that’s it’s only $19 month it may also be the best bargain in the pro NLE arena.

This is not to say I’ll never cut on X again, I have no problem going back and forth depending on the show and even throw a little Sony Vegas in now and again when I need to get something out faster than X or CC can.

Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1680680/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

[Lance Bachelder]

Thanks for the level headed “this is better than that” debunking. I’ve had tons of fun both surfing and boogie boarding but it’s up to the individual to decide which is “better”.

Thus far there have been no Oscar or Emmy winning shows cut “trackless” while FCP legacy has a stellar lineage of both. In fact one of the more famous FCP duo’s, the Coen’s, have remained track based via Premiere CC.

So which is “better”?

Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1680680/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

[Charlie Austin]

[Jeremy Garchow] “X has all of this, too, it just works differently and most of the time, the relationships are defined in a different way than tracks and time. Secondary storylines are tracks, they just don’t extend from frame zero to frame end. This is a big difference. Once you learn that you are working (vertically) on sections of the video you start to understand how X works up and down, left and right. Once you understand how the timeline moves, you start to understand how powerful (and fast) it can be.”

Yep. Cutting in X, for me, has been an ongoing process of “discovery” for lack of a better word. Started out trying to emulate track based cutting using only connected clips. It was clunky… Then dove into the primary cautiously… better. (Love popping in and out for tweaks btw). Then started using secondaries, clumsily at first until I figured out how best to use ’em. Now, it’s all second nature… except for the things I keep “discovering”. There is a lot. 🙂 I have no problems with clips “unexpectedly” moving, because I know what they’re going to do and work accordingly. I do wish there was an option key to paste a clip, specifically video, on top of other connected clips… It used to, but they changed the behavior in .06… that’s a little frustrating.

There’s certainly room for improvement, but I’m working in FCP 7 this week and it’s… frustrating. 😉

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~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~

[Steve Connor]

[Lance Bachelder] “Thus far there have been no Oscar or Emmy winning shows cut “trackless” while FCP legacy has a stellar lineage of both. In fact one of the more famous FCP duo’s, the Coen’s, have remained track based via Premiere CC.

So which is “better”?
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The one that suits your personal workflow – end of story!

Steve Connor

There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum

[Charlie Austin]

[Lance Bachelder] “it’s actually editing that’s the worst feature of all lol.”

Funny, but cutting in 7 this week makes me feel exactly the opposite way. I spend so much time “setting up” for every cut… It drives me nuts. 🙂

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~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~

[Charlie Austin]

[Lance Bachelder] “Thus far there have been no Oscar or Emmy winning shows cut “trackless” while FCP legacy has a stellar lineage of both. In fact one of the more famous FCP duo’s, the Coen’s, have remained track based via Premiere CC. “

That’s sort of a silly line of reasoning Lance. And my guess would be that the Coen’s moved to Pr simply because it’s so similar to FCP “classic”. Very little learning curve, so no slowing down. Especially if they had started the cut in FCP. Anyway, they’re starting to cut porn in X now, (found by Shane Ross via Alex 4D) so it’s only a matter of time before it becomes the new standard bearer. 😀

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~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~

[Steve Connor]

[Charlie Austin] “they’re starting to cut pron in X now, (found by Shane Ross via Alex 4D) so it’s only a matter of time before it becomes the new standard bearer. 😀
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Don’t you mean Final Cut Pro XXX?

Steve Connor

There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum

[Charlie Austin]

[Steve Connor] “Don’t you mean Final Cut Pro XXX?”

I’m pretty sure that’s the big surprise apple has in store for the next release!

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~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~

[Andy Neil]

[Steve Connor] “Don’t you mean Final Cut Pro XXX?”

That really puts a new spin on the Audition Feature.

Andy

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