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Prem vs FCPX – Panels
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[Brian Seegmiller] “for me it is not just the UI that I like in FCP X, It is the way FCP X functions. For example, In pp you can hoover scrub a thumb nail but to be acurate in order to set in and out points you have to open it up in the viewer. Then all yopu have is just a frame of the video that you see at any given time. You have to scrub the whole clip to find that one shot you want and you don’t see the audio waveforms to boot unless you click the button to see it. In FCP X you have a film strip view in the browser either in list view or thumbnail view. While you scrub you have the progam window show your video automaticaly. No need to double click to open it in the viewer. Plus with the filmstrip view you can find that one shot faster by going directly to it. Plus you can choose to see the waveforms. Even if the UI in FCP X maybe lacking for some, I can get my work done faster because it is simple and not cluttered. IMHO.”
I can use the tilde key function in Premiere Pro and save several different layouts. Having said that you don’t have to open a clip up in the viewer (source monitor) to add in and out points. You can use JKL and shift key in hover scrub to get the exact frame where you want to set the in and out. If you have a second computer monitor or 3rd party hardware the video clip that you hover scrub over will out put to the external monitor. No need to double click to see it on the external monitor. I image FCPX will do the same.
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[Brian Seegmiller] “for me it is not just the UI that I like in FCP X, It is the way FCP X functions. For example, In pp you can hoover scrub a thumb nail but to be acurate in order to set in and out points you have to open it up in the viewer. Then all yopu have is just a frame of the video that you see at any given time. You have to scrub the whole clip to find that one shot you want and you don’t see the audio waveforms to boot unless you click the button to see it”
Agreed, “Hover Scrub” in Pro is occasionally useful but it’s nowhere near as useful as skimming in FCPX
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Syncing clips is nutty,..relinking is goofy.”
Other than crashing issues, it’s these specifics where we really differ. How is syncing “nutty”? It’s effectively the same as in FCPX. It’s a feature I use all the time for multicam.
I find relinking to be better than in FCPX. For example, if you move an entire production from one drive to any at the same positions on the volumes – only with a different volume name – X has to be manually directed to link. Premiere usually automatically finds the clips.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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To answer the actual question: yeah, I wouldn’t mind if there were a similar API for X. Do I think it’s somehow the key feature that tips the scale for any one production company or facility to adopt X or not. Er… no. Not even. And I think that Apple not being interested in others altering their UI design could be one reason, but also that some of those integrations have been known to contribute to massive instability, especially after an update on either side (I’m not naming names). That’s in fact roughly what I heard from someone at Apple on the subject. So for most it may well be a small price to pay. But then they may also have just been waiting until they got the complete groundwork done (in the form of the 10.3) to take that step and the subject may even be at the top of the list. Who knows?
[Jeff Markgraf] “Premiere Pro has a lousy GUI. Crowded, fiddly, ugly, not at all pleasant to use on a daily basis.”
+1.
If only you could scale the ???????? to 200pt. 😛
As I like to say… “If hell had tabs and buttons.”[Jeremy Garchow] “It is hard to predict and thrives on chaos. “
No kiddin’. It’s as if every possible function has either it’s own tab, button or 50 level pop-up menu. Or all of the above (in most cases). There is no comprehensible logic to why something is in a right-click (or not), something else only in a (sub sub sub) menu, and the other thing only in a tab or pop-up imho. Easily demonstrated by e.g. there being a mere 12 items in the FCP Windows menu, a whopping 38 in PPro. A right-click on a clip in the timeline? Enjoy 14 items in the pop-up in X and, believe it or not, FOURTY-TWO for the same clip in PPr (which just barely fits onto my Retina screen btw!). Mind you, that’s not even counting the five additional fly-out menus in PPro, of which just one has another 10 items! ????
[Jeremy Garchow] “What it comes down to, is that I don’t prefer it. It is unnecessarily clunky. It tries to do too much with a bunch of add on features in weird places.”
Exactly. Endlessly riddled with button over butten, icon over icon, tab over tab. Even if you open a project in FCP X where someone left it set a custom workspace, there’s absolutely no way that you’re going to wonder where anything is or have to reset the GUI to find out. Never mind the endless buttons and icons riddled all across the interface that literally no one ever uses. In a default layout with one clip in the timeline I counted 104 different buttons. Let me spell that: ONE HUNDRED AND FOUR. But then I’m not using the most recent version, so there are most likely even more by now. Just in the canvas window alone it’s a 5:1 ratio in transport controls.
Oh, and in PPro I’m not even counting TABS, but am in X! (i.e. “Browsers“)
But hey, don’t worry, you can add even more of everything if you want in PPro! ???????? X’s GUI elements on the other hand have gotten progressively LESS with each version. Go figger.
Look at AE. For each new tracker there’s a completely different way of using it and a completely different place it’s been put. So I guess it’s “pro” to not consolidate features and functions that go together in a comprehensive way, but rather just introduce yet another tab, menu and pop-up? ????
So like I said, I’d say your feeling on the matter is painfully demonstrable. And anyone that want’s to claim that X “now looks like PPro” outside of maybe the color, clearly has no clue what they’re talking about and is running on the same sad little track as every foam at-the-mouth “iMovie Pro!” screamer imho.
Let me guess, it’s because X isn’t as super powerful as PPro and simply lacking the functionality to justify so many buttontabflyoutmenurightclicks? ????
Yeah. That. Or maybe Adobe is just interested in winning the feature list race, not squashing age old bugs as I’ve been reading and hearing, and simply doesn’t give a rat’s backend about comprehensive GUI design and usability while they’re at it? I dunno.
But if you actually prefer that, great. Horses for courses as they say. I know I don’t and am 100% with Jeremy as far as that’s concerned.
– RK
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The usual COW tangents in this thread, I’m afraid. But, back on point, wouldn’t 3rd party panel integration offer some benefits to FCPX users?
For example, with PDF Viewer, I can see my client’s script right inside of Premiere Pro. In theory I could do that with a PDF in an event in X, but then it’s seen as a graphic, not a PDF with pages. Or with Colorista, I see the correction panel integrated into the UI – not like Color Finale’s floating window that just don’t have a comfortable place to live within the UI without being in the way of something.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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Hilarious. My post was flagged and moderated because of the word “h o m i n e m”… ?! (and, of course, just did it again. Doh! ????)
What. The. … ????????♂️
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[Oliver Peters] “not like Color Finale’s floating window that just don’t have a comfortable place to live within the UI without being in the way of something.”
Only that for CFP nothing needs to resize, therefore I’m not losing any space for anything else that I might need just as much. So it’s a give and take no matter what. Me preferring the latter either way. Again, horses for courses.
And sorry, but PDFs do import with any and all pages into FCP. With one page per frame. View it side by side with the Event Viewer window if you must.
– RK
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[Oliver Peters] “How is syncing “nutty”? “
In this project I have 1080 ProRes dailies with audio, “camera raw” which is really less than 4k ProRes with no audio. I need to sync the Dailies audio to the higher res, ungraded ProRes. I had to go through no less than three iterations to finally Merge clips, because syncing doesn’t work, mutlicam is unnecessary, and you can’t merge clips but on a timeline.
So now I have merged clips of high res ProRes, and multichannel audio from the Dailies (I do not have access to Production audio. I asked, it never showed up).
Now, move that project to a new computer and new drive so I can take it with me. Pr is not smart enough to relink the audio from the dailies and the video from the high res, it just relinks to the dailies, which is the wrong color and resolution. I had to manually go and rename everything in the finder, relink the dailies to the newly named media one by one, then relink the all merged clips strung out on a timeline, because if you do it from the browser, it doesn’t discern between the dailies and ProRes despite different reel names, and now even different file names. Nutty.
[Oliver Peters] “For example, if you move an entire production from one drive to any at the same positions on the volumes – only with a different volume name – X has to be manually directed to link.”
Just point X at the top level of the new drive (or folder) and hit “choose”. In Pr, I have to manually point at every folder. And for whatever reason, I have to relink the PSD files every time I start the program. It is so bad, that I reimport the PSD as merged layers, use them that way, and then if I need to use the layers, I have to reimport each PSD so it stays linked, everytime I want to use it. When I save and quit and begin work the next day, the layered PSDs are offline (only some of the layers, not all). I then have to reimport, replace all the layers that are offline, and continue editing. It is the hugest waste of time. A vimeo panel isn’t going to help. A frame.io panel isn’t going to help. A PDF script panel isn’t going to help. The problems I face are functional limitations of Pr.
Sure, panels in Pr might be great, but Pr is not great.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Just point X at the top level of the new drive (or folder) and hit “choose”. In Pr, I have to manually point at every folder. And for whatever reason, I have to relink the PSD files every time I start the program.”
My exact same experience (with both) as well. It’s maddening. I have no idea how, by my experience, PPro’s relinking could be considered superior or better by any stretch.
– RK
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[Robin S. Kurz] “My exact same experience (with both) as well. It’s maddening. I have no idea how, by my experience, PPro’s relinking could be considered superior or better by any stretch.”
It has a tremendous amount of switches and buttons, but it doesn’t work very well in “complex?” relinks.
I didn’t even get in to the export window. I don’t know why I have to feel like I am launching Saturn 5 to get a high res mp4 out of Pr.
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