PP 2.0 Not Ready for Large Number of Source Clips? Hardware or Software Issue?

[Richard Milner]

Paul,,

I’d like to lobby them prior to NAB and on the floor. The question is who do you call? Does anyone know who will actually listen?

[Paul King]

Hi Richard

I do not have a name for you, all I can say is that I can confirm what you are seeing. I wouldn’t worry about pushing them on this as I know the OEMs will do it for you. They’ll take to the right people and will come up with a resolution.

However the good thing is that you know when it’s time to say and restart as you get prior warning. As far as I can remember Premiere would always take a long time to open large projects. I agree that it’s too long at the moment but I think they have definately taken a large step in the right direction. We can at least use PSD files in Premiere without a memory problem with them (the current problem seems to be there whether PSDs are used or not – as confirmed by Bill who’s project is using thousands of video files). I currently have a project with 2,000 PSD files imports as multi-layer PSDs.

And again I am really curious to here from those who have seen large projects on other systems to let us know what those systems are like.

Paul

[Bill Buchanan]

Hey Paul:

That call to Adobe tech was a one time call, and I wasn’t charged. Also, I’ve never gotten a “low resources” message. It was Richard Milner, who started this thread, who is seeing that.

As far as trying to make sense of all the memory-related stats in “Performance” in Task Manager, I gave up on that a long time ago. Are you referring to “PF Usage” when you ask about “RAM usage?”

Bill

[Bob Cole]

[Paul King] “I am really curious to here from those who have seen large projects on other systems to let us know what those systems are like.”

Good question. I searched over in the FCP forum and the closest I could find to this was a thread where sluggishness was solved rather easily by turning off Dupe Detection &/or upgrading the OS. Here it is: https://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/new_read_post.cgi?forumid=8&postid=831400

Maybe, those of you who can describe this problem better than I should post your query over in the FCP forum, and find someone with a comparable situation.

Important topic!

— Bob C

[Jason J rodriguez]

“Large” projects in AVID are actually quite easy to manage. No problems there. Plus with AVID you have the ability to make bins you can import into other projects, so should you ever have to split up a project because it got too big, it’s very easy. You can import a specific bin from another project, so you don’t need to import everything from another project . . . you can just select the stuff you want. Of course every bin is it’s own individual file, so it’s not like Premiere where bins are inside the file, and you have no file-level access to them. Think of bin folders in your project window like the title files in older versions of Premiere . . . you made titles that were in the project window, but where actually individual files on the HDD . . . so you could import those files into another project very easily. So splitting up project files in AVID for groups to work on is very easy.

FCP gets a little sluggish depending on the machine you’re using. But there are no issues with memory errors. I’ve had 50MB project files with 45 hours of footage and thousands of subclips that function pretty flawlessly, at least in versions 4 and 5.

Thanks,

Jason Rodriguez
Virginia Beach, VA

[Michael Munkittrick]

I did it just as a means to test my ability should I ever have that much material. I went as high as 800 clips over 10 seconds each with no error at all. I have them separated in bins by scene and subdivided further by shot framing. I don’t have any more clips but I have had no error cutting with upwards of 400 clips in the timeline. It’s slugish and seems to hickup if I do effect previews, but for the most part it seems pretty stable.

As a side note, humorously my Avid Xpress Pro (with Mojo) system locked up and died at just over 550 clips. I NEVER use the Xpress Pro system for anything longform but it is supposed to work with 1000+ clips with no technical problem so long as they are captured through the Avid Xpress Pro interface.

I’d consider the fact that you’ve found the limit of Premiere Pro a blessing. Very few people have the kind of dedication it would take to load a full 1000 clips for any project, feature or otherwise.

Michael Munkittrick
Gainesville, Florida USA

[Alex Udell]

Hi Guys…

I’m just curious about your projects themselves.
Is itnecessary to have all the sources present at the same time?

This is why I ask about the Bridge.

Bridge will allow yoo to browse all your media, and even audtion (review playback) your clips external to your Premiere project then you just drag them to your project bin as needed. Also if you tage your clips with meaningful metadata in the bridge, it makes useful searches across whole volumes very fast….it’s pretty cool actually…

So perhaps you could break things up a bit.

Of course Adobe should address the problem, epscially if they are really getting serious about Premiere and want to call it “Pro”, but this might let you work easier for now.

Hope this helps….

Just a possibility…

Alex Udell
Editing, Motion Graphics, and Visual FX
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[Paul King]

Hi Alex

For me all the source is used in the project. They are mostly PSDs so there is no excess footage.

Thanks

Paul