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Post work-rush thoughts about FCP-X
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[Lance Bachelder] “Great in-demand Editors, at least here in LA in the feature film world, get to dictate whatever tool they want to cut with.”
Hmmm…. Is that why Walter Murch had to recut “Wolfman” on Media Composer instead of FCP?
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Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Oliver Peters] “Hmmm…. Is that why Walter Murch had to recut “Wolfman” on Media Composer instead of FCP?
– Oliver”
Well, isn’t that like saying that (insert director or editor here) “had” to cut (insert film here) back in 2005 on AVID instead of FCP.
Nobody here has ever alleged that X sprung forth fully realized and developed and with all the capabilities of the previous version.
The whole POINT of X was to take a completely fresh approach to NLE design.
It’s not “just another AVID” – and actually, neither was Legacy for it’s first 3 years.
Just as FCP v.1.0 was a perfectly useful editing tool with ample room for improvement – X is nothing more or less than the same. Murch, Schoonmaker, or Wall, or any other talented editor would have been vastly dissatisfied editing a movie on Legacy 1.0 – but probably find doing so by V3, or V4, and by V5, all the bottlenecks had dropped away and the software earned it’s consideration in the toolset of nearly all professional editors.
Only time will tell if X follows that path.
What really is getting tedious is those who still insist on treating X like some freshman high school athlete who’s older brother won the Heisman Trophy so everybody relentlessly trashes the kid for not being “as good” as the elder sibling.
They are different people. With different strengths and weaknesses, just with similar DNA.
Period.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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[Bill Davis] “What really is getting tedious is those who still insist on treating X like some freshman high school athlete who’s older brother won the Heisman Trophy so everybody relentlessly trashes the kid for not being “as good” as the elder sibling.
They are different people. With different strengths and weaknesses, just with similar DNA. “
Frankly, their DNA isn’t at all similar. They just have the same last name. And few people are trashing the kid. Mostly people are trashing the parent’s decision to murder the Trophy winner in his sleep.
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[Herb Sevush] “Of course first you would have scaled each clip back and re-positioned them so they are all visible as the same time; it doesn’t work if you only see one angle while your trying to cut. “
What do you mean “it doesn’t work”?
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[Chris Harlan] “And few people are trashing the kid. Mostly people are trashing the parent’s decision to murder the Trophy winner in his sleep.”
We are video editors, not tabloid editors.
It’s dead. Get over it.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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[Bill Davis] “[Chris Harlan] “And few people are trashing the kid. Mostly people are trashing the parent’s decision to murder the Trophy winner in his sleep.”
We are video editors, not tabloid editors.
It’s dead. Get over it.”
Bill, I’m way over it. You just have a nasty habit of making up wild metaphors that don’t actually mirror the situation. I was simply taking your misguided metaphor and putting it in proper perspective.
If anyone needs to get over anything–believe me–its you.
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[Richard Herd] “What do you mean “it doesn’t work”?”
It doesn’t work as in it’s useless as an editing tool, not it doesn’t work because the compound clip won’t play.
You need a couple of things to edit multi-cam efficiently. You need to be able to see all your angles at the same time, always. You need that to make proper decisions about which is the best shot to use. You then need a way to drop that chosen angle onto the timeline for the duration you’ve picked. When playing back the timeline you still need to see all the angles in sync with the timeline so you can revise your choices and you also need a quick and easy way to replace one angle with another on that same timeline for those revisions.
There’s more features that are helpful, and I haven’t even touched the audio side of things, but that’s a bare minimum. Now how do you accomplish that with your compound clips?
You can edit multi-cam without any special tools — it’s just incredibly time wasteful. This inefficiency obviously gets worse with every additional camera angle in your show.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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Thanks for the clarification. I thought maybe it broke or something.
[Herb Sevush] “Now how do you accomplish that with your compound clips?”
I don’t use multicam. Let’s say I was editing a wedding or something, I would sync ’em and then skim the chunks of each clip I was working on. Like if the bride was throwing the bouquet and the scene was covered with 5 cameras and the whole little bit took 3 minutes. I would skim a bit, then cut, and make it primary. Then cut a bit a more and so on.
Nothing like live broadcast, though, where you have to choose on the fly.
[Herb Sevush] “You can edit multi-cam without any special tools — it’s just incredibly time wasteful. This inefficiency obviously gets worse with every additional camera angle in your show.”
Yep. I haven’t edited multicam since 2005, for a play.
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You asked this first
[Oliver Peters] “How are you determining this? Especially since there’s no broadcast monitoring output yet. I haven’t seen the same thing, but maybe it’s dependant on media type.
“then you go here
[Oliver Peters] “I understand HOW to do it. I asked how it had been done. All I can say is that if you are seeing this extreme of a difference, then you’ve been doing something wrong up until now in FCP 7. No offense meant, but I’m saying this from a POV of having routinely finished FCP 7 projects that have been submitted to pretty tight network QC.”
Maybe FCPX has a better render engine? I see this allot in the 3D App world.
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[Chris Harlan] “Bill, I’m way over it. You just have a nasty habit of making up wild metaphors that don’t actually mirror the situation. I was simply taking your misguided metaphor and putting it in proper perspective.
If anyone needs to get over anything–believe me–its you.”
Of all the people on the planet who are NOT over FCP-Legacy, I think you’re right at the front of the line.
Your own words – “Mostly people are trashing the parent’s decision to murder the Trophy winner in his sleep.”
When the caterpillar morphs into the butterfly, the caterpillar doesn’t die Chris, It’s just moving on. For the folks who continue to think the finest form of transportation is remaining rooted to the traditions of soil travel – it might be confusing. But for those who want to fly a bit – not so much.
(couldn’t resist another tortuous metaphor, dude – the temptation is simply way too strong.)
Look ma, my editing is FLYING. Nope, it’s not an airliner yet. In fact, it might be just a itty bitty motorized hang glider. But the view is STUNNING. And people who aren’t afraid to fly are seeing some new perspectives up here. And if this thing ever becomes a real airplane, we’re gonna be changing the standards of world travel, that’s my bet.
(grin)
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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