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Post work-rush thoughts about FCP-X
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Does anyone know if the tagging info for clips can be exported from FCPX in some form of vanilla data file? (such as XML, or tab delineated?)
Simple answer: No way!
Andreas
Spherico
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[David Lawrence] “Yep, same here. I get pristine output from FCP7”
Just to circle back around to this question, I ran a short test with two projects – one edited in FCP 7 and another in FCP X. I took a master QT export from each and forced a render in the other program (slight crop to force render). Then I split-screened the results of these two tests in FCP 7 and viewed it on a broadcast monitor. The side-by-side comparisons (FCP 7 vs. FCP X and FCP X vs. FCP 7) were transparent. So, with standard video and basic graphics, they look the same.
I don’t doubt that FCP X is doing some functions better than in FCP 7. The legacy app has had notoriously poor scaling algorhythms. OTOH, I’ve already found that the way FCP X handles DV25 clips (480 lines) in an SD timeline (486 lines) is worse than in FCP 7. Also FCP X’s freeze frames seem to result in single-field and not whole-frame freezes (at least with interlaced SD clips). YMMV.
Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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Hello David,
You might want to look at Premiere Pro. It has a function built in that will attempt to transcribe your video. Then you can search the text, or copy and paste it if you need to generate a transcript. It won’t do it in professional script format, but it is a great start. You won’t have to leave Premiere Pro to use the feature either. Avid also has some add ons such as Avid ScriptSync and Phrase Find but these are an extra cost.
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[Herb Sevush] “is that the wave of the future, specific NLEs for specific tasks, or is a general purpose NLE still more valuable?”
I don’t know if you could make enough money making something for a small group.
Maybe if your cost were low enough to make it.
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[David Lawrence] “In the end you have to listen.”
I’m sorry fellas, I’m not saying that I wouldn’t look at the footage for the interview, quite the opposite.
AFTER I look at the footage I would tag it. That’s why I would be tagging it. Because I looked at it and liked it. I don’t want to put it in now. I will put it in later, and it will be easy to find.
In the case of sports I wouldn’t need to as much because a HR is a HR and a K a K. It’s not an opinion. In that case an assistant could tag for me.
In the case of the interview I would tag myself.
See the difference? The tag feature is still being used, just by different people depending on the show.
I don’t particularly like looking for footage. I don’t find it fun or creative and it can be a time hog.
A tool that helps me find it faster is great for me.
The less of that there is the more time I can spend being creative putting it together : )
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[Eddie Stein] “You might want to look at Premiere Pro. It has a function built in that will attempt to transcribe your video. Then you can search the text, or copy and paste it if you need to generate a transcript. It won’t do it in professional script format, but it is a great start.”
Thanks Eddie, but if you look at the link below you’ll see that I wrote one of the very first reviews of Adobe’s “Speech Search” feature nearly three years ago when Adobe CS4 was launched. Unfortunately, it’s speech recognition engine has never achieved the higher accuracy that was promised, so it is still not really accurate enough for most users, often producing wildly comedic transcriptions.
https://library.creativecow.net/articles/weiss_roth_david/speech_search.php
However, getting back on topic, about those things the metadata and database functions of FCPX bring to the table. I’ve looked closely at all of the various applications and add-ons over the years, and net, net, net, FCPX does add several nice features to the mix of products in the market that attempt to solve the difficulties of editing and tracking large volumes of material. But, it is not the “transformative” app that is the answer to all things that Bill Davis and others like to claim it is. In fact, FCPX completely misses the boat in one very important area that is the subject of an article I’m currently writing.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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[tony west] “The tag feature is still being used, just by different people depending on the show.
I don’t particularly like looking for footage. I don’t find it fun or creative and it can be a time hog.
A tool that helps me find it faster is great for me.
The less of that there is the more time I can spend being creative putting it together : )”
Yes Tony, we understand exactly how you and those working with you are using tagging for your interviews. But, as David and I are both saying, that’s just another method of logging and typing in metadata, which still requires a human being to listen to the dialog at a speed at which it is intelligible. So, tagging in FCPX is nice, and it’s a very welcome addition, but it’s not nearly as revolutionary and game-changing as many are touting.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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[David Roth Weiss] “In fact, FCPX completely misses the boat in one very important area that is the subject of an article I’m currently writing.”
Great.
Knowledge being power, after all and alternate perspectives being the building blocks of good personal opinions.
I’m intrigued since whatever that “one very important area” is, it must be universally required rather than, specific to those who edit in a particular type of workflow – since you deem the feature worthy of an entire article.
Looking forward to it.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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[Bill Davis] “I’m intrigued since whatever that “one very important area” is, it must be universally required rather than, specific to those who edit in a particular type of workflow – since you deem the feature worthy of an entire article.
Looking forward to it.”
Excellent!!! I’ll be looking forward to your reaction Bill.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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DRW “But, it is not the “transformative” app that is the answer to all things that Bill Davis and others like to claim it is.”
That statement, in my humble opinion, sums up what’s wrong with this whole debate. I see the “pro” FCPX people largely saying “Hey, it does this well, I really like this function, actually it does do this thing” all the while acknowledging there are missing pieces and limitations. I don’t recall anyone seriously saying FCPX will be all things to all people. Maybe somewhat transformative…
I do see some of the “anti” people saying FCPX is worthless and a slap in the face. The same people seem to speak in absolutes and ascribe absolutes to the pro FCPX folks. I find it much easier to take the more measured comments seriously.
Personally I’ve used it for a few non-critical projects (things I could quickly recover from in the event of a major malfunction) and do find it faster for most of my purposes and actually fun again. Sometimes. I’m waiting for the next update to decide whether or not to commit, and even then I have CS installed just in case. Measured, not all or nothing.
Best,
John
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