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Post work-rush thoughts about FCP-X
David Roth weiss replied 14 years, 3 months ago 19 Members · 64 Replies
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Richard Herd
January 20, 2012 at 7:25 pmYou’re no Bob Zelin, but getting close. At least Bob answers questions.
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Richard Herd
January 20, 2012 at 7:27 pmYeah!
It also helps when a new director overshoots his coverage.
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Herb Sevush
January 20, 2012 at 8:54 pm[Richard Herd] “You’re no Bob Zelin, but getting close. At least Bob answers questions.”
I take that as a very high compliment indeed. As for the question you want answered, by that I take it to mean you were serious about using the “sync button” for multi-cam purposes. What precisely would be your workflow for a 5 camera shoot where some of the sources are not locked by time code? What would the sync button do for you?
Herb Sevush
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Bill Davis
January 20, 2012 at 9:21 pmThe true take away is simple.
X might not be what one particular “you” needs.
But one “you” is not everyone.
We all fall into the trap of thinking that how we edit is how editing always needs to be done.
Tony just showed us how one type of extremely professional – massive money on the line – workflow can make use of the tools in X to do a better job.
Herb and Shane and Chris don’t see how it helps them. And they know their workflows better than anybody else so that’s fair.
But they can’t extrapolate their particularly needs and experiences into the “holy writ” of editing any more than I can.
My needs, Tony’s needs, Herbs needs may sometimes be similar – but that doesn’t been they are the same.
And that’s the big lesson here.
I am one kind of editor that represents one market segment. X is great for me. If you need to edit like I do – medium to large company corporate video – it’s a fabulous tool. That’s all I’m saying.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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David Lawrence
January 20, 2012 at 9:27 pm[Bill Davis] “I am one kind of editor that represents one market segment. X is great for me. If you need to edit like I do – medium to large company corporate video – it’s a fabulous tool. That’s all I’m saying. “
Totally fair statement, Bill. Thumbs up.
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Marvin Holdman
January 20, 2012 at 9:27 pmDoes anyone know if the tagging info for clips can be exported from FCPX in some form of vanilla data file? (such as XML, or tab delineated?)
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Herb Sevush
January 20, 2012 at 9:34 pm[Bill Davis] “My needs, Tony’s needs, Herbs needs may sometimes be similar – but that doesn’t been they are the same.”
The question then becomes should the market break down into “niche” NLE’s that are aimed at specific users, or is the ideal to make an NLE that fits all workflows.
For instance, as per Tony’s comments, there are products made solely for sports, narrowed down to different products for each sport, that can break down game films much faster than FCPX can. At what point do you say – enough specialization, I don’t know what project I’m likely to cut next, I want something that can handle anything?
I’m not disagreeing with you by the way, I’m just exploring the implications.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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David Lawrence
January 20, 2012 at 10:00 pm[Herb Sevush] “The question then becomes should the market break down into “niche” NLE’s that are aimed at specific users, or is the ideal to make an NLE that fits all workflows.”
[Herb Sevush] “At what point do you say – enough specialization, I don’t know what project I’m likely to cut next, I want something that can handle anything? “
Bingo. This is probably my biggest beef with what Apple did to FCP in designing FCPX. Over the years I’ve used legacy on everything from short PSAs to music videos to multi-channel museum installations and more. I’ve edited and mastered albums with it. I can create workflows for any kind of time-based project I throw at it. It was (and currently still is) my universal, time-based media tool.
FCPX seems highly optimized for very specific workflows. Great if it fits your needs. If so, it gives tremendous leverage. But I find anything outside what it likes to do is incredibly cumbersome. Much harder to roll your own workflow. Hopefully it gets better. We’ll have to wait and see.
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Marvin Holdman
January 20, 2012 at 10:01 pmBob Zelin? The Don Rickles of tech support? LOVE that guy!!! Bob ROCKS!
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Tony West
January 20, 2012 at 10:45 pm[Herb Sevush] “For instance, as per Tony’s comments, there are products made solely for sports”
Are you referring to the EVS?
We use that to but it cost way more than 300 bucks. No way they will spend all that jack.
But why does my method have to be limited to sports?
Take a long form doc that you have 30 folks with at least an hour long interview a piece.
You can’t remember what everybody said. Say you have been on the doc for a year.
Yes you could use your markers and notes but why couldn’t a person break down and tag out that interview like I would tag out a backwards k by Carpenter?
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