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Poll: How much would you pay for Resolve panels?
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[Dave Williams] ” I personally don’t see how they are making any money.”
Even in the glory days, daVinci went bust several times and changed hands on something like 4 or 5 occasions, before its present incarnation. To be perfectly honest, some of the earlier versions of the system were arguably over-engineered, but… its how you get to dictate to the rest of the industry if you are completely bulletproof on fundamentals. But the company had no diversity, and then bet the farm on a somewhat-disappearing technology — film. No question, the 2K+ was a world-beating telecine app/installation that could also do tape-to-tape. Resolve was my first choice (back when I stood on the cliff) to use as a hang-glider, but development was back-burnered. And then, of course, everything changed. I’m giddy to get back into the tribe — but maybe I’m just airsick with COLOR.
Personally I’ve got an expensive set of Tangent-200 panels ($18K new) that, while people bring me FCP projects and I largely work unsupervised, I’m going to ride those ponies until their legs fall off, or somebody offers me money for them. The first, and most important part of the interface is the actual color control, and until someone comes up with a better idea than balls and rings… one controller seems to be much the same as any other — for a Primaries job, the Wave is much more than adequate. The real deal is the customization — the Wave would be all that anyone ever needed if you could map the functions you really use on a repetitive basis, and of course — the three concepts of computer efficiency — macros, macros, and macros.
My most-used daVinci macro: [static] [-1][preview][dissolve], since auto-dynamic scene ripple failed so often, but favourite was [-2][preview] for ‘he-said/she-said’ scenes.
jPo
You mean “Old Ben”? Ben Kenobi?
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Thanks for the input guys on this subject. While we believe everyone can benefit from using the Resolve control surface, particularly for speed and precision of operation, we support three third party vendors to offer you choice and a way to ease into the panel grading space when often the startup costs need to include storage and monitors too. Then when you make enough from your initial investment the Resolve panels are a real nice upgrade option.
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Hello Peter,
Then you mean that BM won’t support Tangent Element ?
You know, a good thing would be to propose a cheaper BM Panel, with less functions. A kind of light version of DaVinci resolve Panel. For a price around 4000-5000 USD.
Best
Robin
réalisateur, scénariste, monteur, étalonneur
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I think $30k is a good deal for the BM panels I think a Blackboard is $45k and I am sure a Blackboard 2 is more. Also I think Peter said that they support three VENDORS not three Panels from third parties. The Element seems pretty nice and the Wave will probably disappear at some point so I can only imagine the newer Tangent panel will be supported at some time, it isn’t even shipping yet I believe.
Using a Wave for now….
-Rob-
Robert Houllahan
Director / Colorist
Cinelab Inc.
http://www.cinelab.comMAHC-PRO 6-Core 3X GTX285 20Tb SAS Wave Panel Panny 11UK SDI Plasma.
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Hi Peter,
thanks for chipping in.
To be honest it hurts that the DaVinci panels, are so unaccesible, if you would have made them ugly it’d be easier on us : )A couple of points to give perspective to this issue though…a couple of months ago if I’d have bought the Linux version and the Davinci panels, today I’d be regretting losing $20K. So even if I had the 30K for the panel, I know that by April or September prices could go down, and it is a holding point in the decision making, and a very valid one.
Second, let’s not forget that while Resolve is , in my opinion, one of the best color grading tool available, it also took the market share of Apple Color since it’s demise.
Which means more and more people who are not even colorists to begin with, are using it for their projects, so in reality while Resolve market share expanded, the market share for professional colorist is diminishing.
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I would pay a maximum of something like $3000 for the panel. And that would be after we see what Adobe has up the sleeve for their purchase of Iridas, and if they make something useful with the element panels in combination with Iridas-stuff.
The sad thing about the Davinci panels is that they are tied to ONE software, which in my opinion is totally idiotic. If they´d change the panels to use some common computer language, so they could be used for other softwares too, then they would be a much “safer buy”.
2 years from now, who knows what software we are using for colorcorrection. It makes no sense today to sell/buy this expensive customized panels that only work with one software. Look at the Element panels, they are the future. Customizeable and available for different softwares.
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[Kent Kumpula] “I would pay a maximum of something like $3000 for the panel.”
This is completely unrealistic. I doubt they could even be manufactured at this price point.
*Everyone* (the famous “they”) complain about the build-feel of the Wave for $1800. Maybe Logitech could lend some mass-manufacturing expertise, but even they won’t touch a controller if they can’t expect to sell several million units.
jPo
You mean “Old Ben”? Ben Kenobi?
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[Joseph Owens] “[Kent Kumpula] “I would pay a maximum of something like $3000 for the panel.”
This is completely unrealistic. I doubt they could even be manufactured at this price point.”
Perhaps it is, and in that case they need to go with the flow and lower the manufacturing cost or raise the “useability” or thee panels they want to sell. Like let say… making them compatible with other softwares byt, for example, making a software for mapping all the buttons to different functions.
If we compare the Resolve panels to the Tangent Devices Element found here: https://blogs.creativecow.net/blog/5810/introducing-tangent-designs-element-control-surface and then we compare the price: $3000-$3500 for the Element panel versus Resolve panel for €30000… the difference is huge.
If you need more buttons or knobs, add another button or knob panel and map the functions you need (at least in my dreams, I´m not sure how “mappeable” all the buttons are). For me, the four panel set is probably more than I need.
Will you be $26500 more productive with the Resolve panel? If you can, and if you can earn the pricedifference before the Resolve panel/software is outdated, good for you! I sure can´t make the calculations for the Resolvepanel to be a winner, I just can´t.
Add to that calculation that I would need three panels at least, and the price for the Resolve panels gets ridiculous in comparison to the price for the Element panels. And not being able to use the panels for anything else (like a future Adobe/Iridas update?) makes the Resolve panels much less compatible and useable.
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All of the high end grading systems have dedicated panels, Baselight, Film Master, Lustre, Resolve and none of those panels will work with any other software. I had a Baselight-4 on demo a while ago, it’s great fast feature rich machine and I think I could have squeezed one out of Filmlight for somewhere in the $300K range, maybe for a demo box.
So the $30K is short money for the Panels from BMD and I really do not see any way they could even make them for $5-6K considering the build quality and volume of sales.
If one is building a room where client supervised sessions are going to happen said clients will be allot happier putting down serious cash for a more serious feeling room and whoever is driving will get more work done for that hourly charge with the dedicated panels.
-Rob-
Robert Houllahan
Director / Colorist
Cinelab Inc.
http://www.cinelab.comMAHC-PRO 6-Core 3X GTX285 20Tb SAS Wave Panel Panny 11UK SDI Plasma.
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That all said the Element looks pretty great and I would not be mad with using that or the wave I have now.
-Rob-
Robert Houllahan
Director / Colorist
Cinelab Inc.
http://www.cinelab.comMAHC-PRO 6-Core 3X GTX285 20Tb SAS Wave Panel Panny 11UK SDI Plasma.
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